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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Thanks for that info ebud and it's a shame that so little actual air combat is featured.


Take another war movie for example, "Glory". That featured race relations AND it had several really fantastic battle scenes.



So, it CAN be done but you have to have the right people involved in making the film.

Yeah, I'm still excited to see it, Glory was good from what I remember, its been a while honestly... I like my war movies thoughtful but tense and action-packed (mostly)... not a fan of political/social commentary infused into them honestly, but I know those are few and far between and that would rule out the majority if I were to refuse to watch them for that reason. I actually took a copy of Moffie, cut out all the fluff and turned it into a basic training/war movie and not a gay pride movie lol, I can hear pearls being clutched at the thought of it lol. Wasn't bad without the main subplot lol. Personally one of my favorite movies is Greyhound...all combat, no fluff. I bet most hated it for that very reason. Get off my lawn!!

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This just drop on Amazon Prime https://www.amazon.com/Devotion-Jonathan-Majors/dp/B0B8NXP66H

I might take a look cos it's free.

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Devotion was praised by most critics. It’s just too bad that the general public didn’t care to see it.


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The movie is 2 hrs 19 min. Skip the first 1 hr 14 min of the usual Hollywood race stuff to get to the first air battle scene.

We know there was racism back then and we know he is the first Black Navy pilot and we know Whites try to held him back and even some of the Blacks in the military hated him for being with Whites but no one needs to be subjected to 1 hour and 14 minutes of it.

Then skip to 1 hr 35 min to the next battle scene and when that is over, you can forget the rest of the movie, 30 minutes more to go and no more combat scenes, you know how it ends by reading the WIKI page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_L._Brown#Death.

if you are expecting a movie like Top Gun Maverick with air combat scene, you will be disappointed. Total air combat scenes is about 10 minutes.

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Incoherent - The story drags, is one cliche after another, and it says nothing interesting about the war or the time period. On top of this, any comparison to Top Gun is laughable.

Could Have Been A Lot Better - Same old crap from Hollywood. A lot of racial overtones. Same kind of war movie. Bar fights. Immature thought processes. Not following orders and instructions which endanger enlisted and officer lives. This movie was crap. I couldn't wait until it was over.

Cliched, dull, funny - Devotion is one old trope after another after another. Most of those scenes involve some kind of trope speech given at just the right moment to the troops.

Another one - This could have been a very good movie, but very much of current ideology and moral panic stood in it's way. Almost every minute we were treated with some lesson on back woes. Now and then there are glimpses that movie could take off, pun not intended, but instantly loses fuel and lift with another healthy dose of blacksplaining.

Ruined by Wokeness - This movie could have focussed on a magnificent pilot, inspiring friendship, and draw dropping feat of sacrifice. Instead, like Gollum clutching the ring as he dissolves in lava, the writers can only focus on racism and hate.There is no journey of the character. The character stays trapped in hate unlike the real person.

Not a war movie - It felt like the trailer duped us. I was expecting to go in and see a Korean War film from the perspective of navy aviators. Kind of a style mix between Top Gun and Pearl Harbor. However it was far from that. There are only two action sequences in the entire movie and they don't last very long. Very underwhelming.

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Typical modern Hollywood, making a movie far longer than it needs to be. The 1995 film, "The Tuskegee Airmen" was only an hour and forty five minutes long, plenty enough, and was really good.

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Heh, an actual excellent post from NFB! I give credit when credit is due! smile


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Heh, an actual excellent post from NFB! I give credit when credit is due! smile


Yeah, at this rate I may unblock him smile


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Incoherent - The story drags, is one cliche after another, and it says nothing interesting about the war or the time period. On top of this, any comparison to Top Gun is laughable.

Could Have Been A Lot Better - Same old crap from Hollywood. A lot of racial overtones. Same kind of war movie. Bar fights. Immature thought processes. Not following orders and instructions which endanger enlisted and officer lives. This movie was crap. I couldn't wait until it was over.

Cliched, dull, funny - Devotion is one old trope after another after another. Most of those scenes involve some kind of trope speech given at just the right moment to the troops.

Another one - This could have been a very good movie, but very much of current ideology and moral panic stood in it's way. Almost every minute we were treated with some lesson on back woes. Now and then there are glimpses that movie could take off, pun not intended, but instantly loses fuel and lift with another healthy dose of blacksplaining.

Ruined by Wokeness - This movie could have focussed on a magnificent pilot, inspiring friendship, and draw dropping feat of sacrifice. Instead, like Gollum clutching the ring as he dissolves in lava, the writers can only focus on racism and hate.There is no journey of the character. The character stays trapped in hate unlike the real person.

Not a war movie - It felt like the trailer duped us. I was expecting to go in and see a Korean War film from the perspective of navy aviators. Kind of a style mix between Top Gun and Pearl Harbor. However it was far from that. There are only two action sequences in the entire movie and they don't last very long. Very underwhelming.


As I suspected... won't be watching this.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Typical modern Hollywood, making a movie far longer than it needs to be. The 1995 film, "The Tuskegee Airmen" was only an hour and forty five minutes long, plenty enough, and was really good.

Yep. "The Tuskegee Airmen" was better than "Red Tails" by a long shot.


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Those reviews are from online. They are not mine.

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Movie was passable but a bit boring. It primarily relied on the racial aspect. It was a bit odd as well in those scenes. While it would be hard to make a plot about such a person without mentioning the issues once, to keep going on and on about it did get old. The air scenes were very limited like mentioned above. This was a political commentary movie first, with a setting of a war. That isn't necessarily bad but it just didn't work in this movie. They needed some more air time.

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Originally Posted by Flogger23m
Movie was passable but a bit boring. It primarily relied on the racial aspect. It was a bit odd as well in those scenes. While it would be hard to make a plot about such a person without mentioning the issues once, to keep going on and on about it did get old. The air scenes were very limited like mentioned above. This was a political commentary movie first, with a setting of a war. That isn't necessarily bad but it just didn't work in this movie. They needed some more air time.



IMHO, "Glory" is the prime example of how you make a movie that balances the racial/discrimination aspect while having some great battle scenes and maintaining a high degree of historical accuracy.


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This clip reminded me of this movie. Keep in mind Bill Burr is in fact married to a black woman.

https://youtube.com/shorts/gb9R3eovKyA?


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