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Probably must be moved in another topic (and I'll delete this post)... Where is this - Lybia, Iraq?
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"Nice" picture, missing antenna is fascinating  Hpasp, you have a great inventory of interesting pictures. PS: I'll delete my post also when it is moved.
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Very minor SA-4 / 2K11 Krug possible inaccuracy. I've just watched this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My0Xr-ITrW8At the 0:42 second mark you can see the operator selecting targets. Pay VERY close attention to how the joystick and the cursor move together. SAM Simulator does it wrong. In SAM Simulator, if you move the imaginary joystick a little bit to the left, the cursor will move slowly to the left and will keep moving even when the stick isn't being moved any more. The cursor only stops moving when the imaginary joystick is put back into the middle position. But in the video the stick and the cursor seem to work differently. Moving the joystick to the right puts the cursor to the right immediately, and it stays where the joystick is. Then when the stick is moved forward, the cursor moves to the top of the scope immediately following the position of the joystick. A very minor point, and maybe different 2K11 versions worked differently. But I thought I should point it out. Maybe you did it this way on purpose?
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Another possible bug in the SA-2F.
If you launch a missile with the proximity fuse off and with the switch in the approaching target position, and then after launch you move the switch to the receding target position, I think the missile is still detonating like it was set to detonate on approaching targets. And vice versa.
I'm not sure if this is a bug or if it's how the system works. But I thought I'd mention it.
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If you launch a missile with the proximity fuse off and with the switch in the approaching target position, and then after launch you move the switch to the receding target position, I think the missile is still detonating like it was set to detonate on approaching targets. And vice versa.
How you see the type of detonation (receiding/approaching)???
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Another possible bug in the SA-2F.
If you launch a missile with the proximity fuse off and with the switch in the approaching target position, and then after launch you move the switch to the receding target position, I think the missile is still detonating like it was set to detonate on approaching targets. And vice versa.
I'm not sure if this is a bug or if it's how the system works. But I thought I'd mention it. We have only K1/2/3 commands with the Dvina system, so proximity fuse setting can never be changed, during missile flight. (This feature would give a great opportunity for enemy jammers) Fuse settings can be changed, while the missile is connected to the launcher via the OS-10 connector only.
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We have only K1/2/3 commands with the Dvina system, so proximity fuse setting can never be changed, during missile flight.
(This feature would give a great opportunity for enemy jammers)
Fuse settings can be changed, while the missile is connected to the launcher via the OS-10 connector only.
But as "Rabota po K3" switch just controls the delay of K3 command, it should be changeable 'till the sending on K3 command.. Did I missed something in my education?... 
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I had previously thought that the K3 is to ensure that at the time when the missile is in flight it controlled remotely!
Due to the fact that the target of the low and the rocket crashes into the ground.
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As I understand the K3 must be used if the Dvina have objective flies lower than 300 meters, is a good example of the Tomahawk cruise missile and a short-range order in the 20 km.
Is this true or not?
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Another possible bug in the SA-2F.
If you launch a missile with the proximity fuse off and with the switch in the approaching target position, and then after launch you move the switch to the receding target position, I think the missile is still detonating like it was set to detonate on approaching targets. And vice versa.
I'm not sure if this is a bug or if it's how the system works. But I thought I'd mention it. Hi, I did a little test with SA-2F... Ashuluk training ground, 3 radar reflectors, missiles are launched one against each target. Fuse settings where as follows: 1 - "Dogon" 2 - "Rabota po K3" 3 - "Dogon", changed on "Rabota po K3" during flight... Here the 3DAAR: Second test was the same, but with 4 missiles against 3 targets and the fuse settings was not changed during flight (the sequence starts again with "Dogon", than "Rabota po K3" and so on...). Here the second 3D AAR screenshots: As debries pattern should looks like this: please, share your opinion about realistic behaviour of the K3 command detonation of the warhead... PS. Due to poor quality of screenshots, i wish to mention that all measurments are in meters...
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We have only K1/2/3 commands with the Dvina system, so proximity fuse setting can never be changed, during missile flight.
(This feature would give a great opportunity for enemy jammers)
Fuse settings can be changed, while the missile is connected to the launcher via the OS-10 connector only.
But as "Rabota po K3" switch just controls the delay of K3 command, it should be changeable 'till the sending on K3 command.. Did I missed something in my education?... Just do not mix Dvina with Volhov. At Volhov, the length of the K4 command will set the delay timer of warhead, after receiving the K3 command. At the Dvina, the delay is fixed on the launcher, as Dvina has no K4 command, only K3 (detonate with the timer set on the launcher).
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So the K3 command (when in RABOTA PO K3) is sent at the exact time regardless of DOGON mode. The actual delay is provided in the warhead timer (and set before flight, when the missile is on launcher), right?
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So the K3 command (when in RABOTA PO K3) is sent at the exact time regardless of DOGON mode. The actual delay is provided in the warhead timer (and set before flight, when the missile is on launcher), right? That's what Hpasp said, but I am not sure about that.... Here comprasion between modes in SA-2F and SA-2E: At the Volhov, you have these methods...
ZEMLJA - ground - detonate missile by command
STAN - arm the fuse 300m before the range boresight - detonate by radio proxy fuse
RAB PO ADA - against spy balloons - detonate missile by command, well before the target
ZAGRUB RV - reduce fuse sensitivity to avoid detonation by chaff
ZAGRUB RV USU - reduce fuse sensitivity to avoid detonation by chaff with USU missiles
NLC USU - gate fuse sensitivity to 100m against low flying targets
NC USU - used with nuclear missiles
RAB OT VM - arm the fuse 11sec after launch - detonate by radio proxy fuse
RAB PO K3 - detonate missile by K3 command
At the Dvina, you have these methods...
ZEMLJA - ground - detonate missile by command
RAB PO ADA - against spy balloons - detonate missile by command, well before the target
11 SEC - arm the fuse 11sec after launch - detonate by radio proxy fuse
RAB OT RV - arm the fuse 300m before the range boresight - detonate by radio proxy fuse
RAB PO K3 - detonate missile by K3 command for incoming targets - used against low flying targets
DOGON - detonate missile by K3 command for receding targets (Dvina has no K4 command to transmit the missile/target closure speed)
Here also about SA-2E: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3388928/Re_SAM_Simulator.html#Post3388928And here - TOTALY DIFFERENT explanation about "Dogon" an "Rabota on K3" for SA-2F: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3494150/Re_SAM_Simulator.html#Post3494150
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I have a strange feeling about SA-4... Check this 3D AAR: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no" ?>
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I have a strange feeling about SA-4... Check this 3D AAR: http://www.mediafire.com/?hau7ptsg3dqmpgkEven after target dissapeared it continued to track (only gates were vissible) and when shot my last missile (missile-3) with armed radiofuse right after launch, it pop-s up in the middle of nothing.... Also when target goes over aquisition envelope of P-40, in case of "Prinimania CU" -ON, but without tracking on angle, nor range, when target overfliing the position, the SNR continuing to rotate and after going 180 degrees it iluminates target again in the same moment, when targt appeared on the P-40 screen.... I did an experiment over Hungary, used an ~0 parameter target, which does a 90 degree turn just over the "Krug" position, and it does it the same to the 180 degrees, then, when target pops-up on P-40, it quickly adjusted 90 degrees more.... Why so? (the Hungary looks more logical, exept rotating to 180 degrees....)...
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I have a strange feeling about SA-4... Check this 3D AAR: http://www.mediafire.com/?hau7ptsg3dqmpgkEven after target dissapeared it continued to track (only gates were vissible) and when shot my last missile (missile-3) with armed radiofuse right after launch, it pop-s up in the middle of nothing.... It is a known bug, if no target is flying, that the missile 3DAAR is missing the seconds. Will be corrected with the Shilka, where it is more easily obsevable.
Also when target goes over aquisition envelope of P-40, in case of "Prinimania CU" -ON, but without tracking on angle, nor range, when target overfliing the position, the SNR continuing to rotate and after going 180 degrees it iluminates target again in the same moment, when targt appeared on the P-40 screen.... I did an experiment over Hungary, used an ~0 parameter target, which does a 90 degree turn just over the "Krug" position, and it does it the same to the 180 degrees, then, when target pops-up on P-40, it quickly adjusted 90 degrees more.... Why so? (the Hungary looks more logical, exept rotating to 180 degrees....)...
When the target is above the the SNR, than several functions could return 0, so this issue should be investigated more.
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When the target is above the the SNR, than several functions could return 0, so this issue should be investigated more.
I believe that when target goes out of P-40's detection, "Pat Hand" just must stop trackin it (when no range or angle track was established0, and when it appears again, should be reaquired with the joystick on p-40 and then send to "Pat hand'.... It is a quite an interesting issue how "Long track" is autotracking targets... 
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When the target is above the the SNR, than several functions could return 0, so this issue should be investigated more.
I believe that when target goes out of P-40's detection, "Pat Hand" just must stop trackin it (when no range or angle track was established0, and when it appears again, should be reaquired with the joystick on p-40 and then send to "Pat hand'.... It is a quite an interesting issue how "Long track" is autotracking targets... Continued at the relevant topic...
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Again about SA-4 Ganef (I believe an different occurance of above mentioned bug)... Just using Linebacker scenario with SR-71 approaching from south... It frezzes all screen exept "Long truck" one...(257/76 battery).
Last edited by piston79; 01/12/13 09:45 PM.
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Again about SA-4 Ganef (I believe an different occurance of above mentioned bug)... Just using Linebacker scenario with SR-71 approaching from south... It frezzes all screen exept "Long truck" one...(257/76 battery). Just check the ADAAR file with notepad, to see if the seconds were missing...
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