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Wigean #4592613 02/24/22 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Wigean
I don`t believe we will see Russia partisipate in international sports for a long time if Putin`s agression continues.



Nope. I think the Sochi race will most likely be out for this year.


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I'm more cynical. I don't get in to the politics of this too much, as doing so is often a futile exercise. But it cannot be denied that Formula 1 has selective blindness, taking up one cause while ignoring others

I do not want this thread to devolve in to a political discussion, there are other good spots around here for this. But I will say that despite Russia's actions this week, F1 will probably play a wait and see game. September is a long way off, the public's attention and outrage meter is fast-draining, and I could see the race being held while the officials talk of F1's ability to heal divided nations and bring people together. Look no further than F1s tightly woven relationship with Saudi Arabia, where concerns are closeted to let the show go on. Vettel, for what it is worth, has now said he will not race in Russia because of the invasion.

Day two of preseason testing is underway, and Ricciardo is fastest thus far. Bahrain will be a better barometer, but there are a few take-aways so far. Possibly the most significant are Haas and Alfa struggles with reliability and broken parts. In all-new cars especially, this is the time to gather as much data as possible, and each team would have had a full schedule of tests to run. By spending so much time fixing their cars, these teams fall way behind. And for those two back-runners it's particularly costly as they look to regain midfield status.

We'll get our first look today at Zhou in a F1 car.


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One unforseen issue has cropped up, and apparently all teams are dealing with it, porpoising.

The simulators didn't produce it, but the teams are finding that in this ground-effect 2.0 era that they are getting sudden stalls (of the aerodynamic sort), as the downforce comes and goes abruptly, causing the cars to buck down the straights. Underfloor and venturi engineering needs a rethink, and will leave all teams scrambling a bit.

In looking at this year's cars, one of the things that stuck me most was how 'anti-rake' the designs are. Many appear to be reverse raked, with the front of the car higher off the ground than the rear, which of course is opposite of the previous generation. They are attempting to accelerate that air under the car, increasingly squeezing it as it moves under, but may have gone too far and need to dial it back to regain stability. All very interesting.


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Well Sochi or not.

If the situation stays like this Vettel, Alonso and Verstappen won`t go there.

But like DBond says September is far far away. smile

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As I guessed, F1 is taking a wait and see approach so far.

A Formula One statement said: "Formula One is closely watching the very fluid developments like many others and at this time has no further comment on the race scheduled for September. We will continue to monitor the situation very closely."

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/...-gp-status-sebastian-vettel-says-boycott

One interesting side effect is how sanctions could affect sponsors and even Mazepin's ability to attend races. Those I had not considered.


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The porpoising looks amusing but is probably quite unpleasant for the drivers:

Porpoising


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You guys don't need me to explain it, but what we're seeing in Red's video is how low that rear gets, which cuts off the air flow, and with it down force and the spring load comes off. As the car rebounds, the air flows through, the down force is gained again, and the cycle repeats itself. Teams have resorted to cutting some 'outlets' in the the sides of the floor to I guess release some air that would have otherwise gone under. A poor man's way of reducing down force enough that it stays high enough down the straights to avoid the stall.


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You guys may find this interesting:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60508391


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Originally Posted by RedToo
The porpoising looks amusing but is probably quite unpleasant for the drivers:

Porpoising


That does look like a miserable experience.
Plus, how are they supposed to puke with those helmets on?

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Alpine busted out the sawzall

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My 'Waiting for Clod' thread: https://tinyurl.com/4n82j75z

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“We are still in the age of legends. You and I will not enter the promised land. We who have begun always perish before Jericho falls.”
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Haas set to review future of Uralkali F1 deal next week.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/h...f1-future-deal-next-week/8486683/?nrt=54


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Originally Posted by DBond
, F1 will probably play a wait and see game. .



Nope.

https://variety.com/2022/sports/global/formula-1-russian-grand-prix-canceled-1235190130/


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That's the right move for Haas, but Gene must be thinking what he's done to deserve his lot. He should have known cozying up to Russian ducats was always a risk, beyond just the remote possibility of war, but nothing has gone right for the team over the past few seasons, Even this test has not gone well. Still, removing Uralkali had to be done. It will be interesting to see if sanctions in host countries allow or prevent Mazepin's participation.

In Catalunya testing news, Russell topped the morning charts. The afternoon session features a wet track so Pirelli can get some wet weather data. Since it doesn't rain in Spain, they are running water tanker trucks around and dumping it out to soak the track, but it looks to be drying out too fast.

Vettel caught fire and I saw an image of him with an extinguisher. Zhou stuck in the trap and Gasly crashed at turn 5.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer

Nope.


Good for Formula 1. No mention of a replacement. Sochi fell between Monza and Singapore, so who knows which (if any) track will replace it.


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May be two races in Zandvoort?
Would be nice for the fanbase.


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How about a new F1 track in Liechtenstein? That country never gets any attention!


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Originally Posted by Wigean
May be two races in Zandvoort?
Would be nice for the fanbase.


Red Bull fans say yes.

While doubling up at one track is probably the way they will go, I'd like to see things like this be used to maybe audition a new track, or one that fell out of favor, say like Hockenheim, Laguna Seca or Kyalami.


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Originally Posted by DBond


While doubling up at one track is probably the way they will go, I'd like to see things like this be used to maybe audition a new track, or one that fell out of favor, say like Hockenheim, Laguna Seca or Kyalami.


Ah, Kyalami. I remember racing that track many times in GPL. I doubt that a F1 race would be financially viable in South Africa now though....


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