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^^^ Exactly

And this is the reason ED stumble from one area to the next with no clear direction in th desktop area.

They're reactive to their commercial arm rather than pro-active for the desktop products.

Like Johnny says, if ED got a new military contract tomorrow the whole landscape for desktop projects would change again. I don't buy into ED having a clue what direction they're heading in at all and their track record and choices they've made along the way reflect this.

It's frustrating and disappointing at the same time because they do release good products (eventually). I just fear that the so-called 'vision' of DCS will never ever be realised. Lets be honest, given how long its taken to get to the stage they are at now and it's still only the tip of the iceberg I don't think our grandkids will get all the fun either. God forbid an engine upgrade into DX13 in 5 years time.......


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Originally Posted By: Nate
I will be ecstatic, if anybody can achieve what they're aiming to do, quicker.


I would settle for if when they say "we will release X on this date," that they actually do it.


Originally Posted By: EightBall
Yup, ED will most likely be the only currently active developer still around at that time.


Unlikely. More likely would be some other group like the BMS devs pick up the peices and put ED to shame.


Originally Posted By: Johnny_Redd
I don't think you know EDs long term goal, I'm not sure ED are 100% sure of their long term goal outside of their military contracts. As a consumer product, these study sim planes make zero financial sense. They take years to develop, They are not what the consumer wants, let's be honest, given the choice of the l-39 or an F-16, who would chose the l-39? If it wasn't a military contract there's no way they'd make money on that choice. Given the choice of Nevada or Afghanistan who would chose Nevada?
If ED were given a military contract tomorrow to model the F35 for military training the Hornet and everything else would be put on hold. That's the way it is. ED are not an entertainment company. There really is no long term goal for the consumer product.


Given the choice between the Gazelle or the Apache, which one do you think would sell out faster? This has boggled my mind for ages. Given the right selection of aircraft and theatres, ED could probably print out their own money. But instead, they choose to go on all sorts of branching directions. Excellent input, Johnny! +1,000!


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It's frustrating and disappointing at the same time because they do release good products (eventually). I just fear that the so-called 'vision' of DCS will never ever be realised. Lets be honest, given how long its taken to get to the stage they are at now and it's still only the tip of the iceberg I don't think our grandkids will get all the fun either. God forbid an engine upgrade into DX13 in 5 years time.......


I loved the A-10C. I bought BS2 as support for ED; I had little interest in the Shark but ED showed so much promise and potential at that time. And the Hog and the Shark are indeed very, very good products! It's just sad and disappointing that everything else has fallen behind.

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I love the modules but like many here are saying , its not getting anywhere . I dont want to spend $60 on a module with no content .

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If you're looking at a picture and you can't help but think that the author just stumbled from one colored pixel to the other without a sense of direction or composure, it might be that you are simply standing too close.

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Very philosophical.

........or it could just be that ED are reactive to their commercial contracts which is why they change direction so much.

You nor anyone else couldn't hope to explain why they would have planned to release the content they have done in the order they have done without playing pin the tail on the donkey at least once, whilst blindfolded wth their arms tied behind their backs and sat on the back of a horse.....naked and drunk.


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If one is looking too closely at what one is told is a Da-Vinci and steps back to see a Pollock what then?
It appears to myself and others ED have started with oils moved onto water colours and then decided to throw anything at the canvas in the hope some form will appear.
You question the doubters eyesight and perspective but offer none of your own. Tell me Sobek? What is the picture ED are trying to paint?


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I've wasted enough of my time on these boards trying to offer a different point of vew to people that have their mind set. It is a fools errand really.

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Originally Posted By: Sobek
I've wasted enough of my time on these boards trying to offer a different point of vew to people that have their mind set. It is a fools errand really.


You oppose people's views with your own but offer no evidence or proof to backup YOUR points. People complain ED has no direction and your response is "you're standing too close to the TV"???

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Originally Posted By: Sobek
I've wasted enough of my time on these boards trying to offer a different point of vew to people that have their mind set. It is a fools errand really.


You oppose people's views with your own but offer no evidence or proof to backup YOUR points. People complain ED has no direction and your response is "you're standing too close to the TV"???


Funny, usually when i did offer "backup", people were complaining that i was inhibiting their right to express their opinion, that they didn't come here to be "corrected", some would even go as far as telling me to stop posting.

That's hardly your fault, but the irony is still amazing.

We're getting somewhat OT though.

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Originally Posted By: Sobek
I've wasted enough of my time on these boards trying to offer a different point of vew to people that have their mind set. It is a fools errand really.


You oppose people's views with your own but offer no evidence or proof to backup YOUR points. People complain ED has no direction and your response is "you're standing too close to the TV"???



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Originally Posted By: Sobek
I've wasted enough of my time on these boards trying to offer a different point of vew to people that have their mind set. It is a fools errand really.

So if we don't think like you, you're wasting your time? No one elses opinion is as important as yours? Who do you think you are? A "progressive" American voter? Seriously though, it ain't about you, Sobek. Ever think that maybe there's so much of the opposing viewpoint that you could possibly be wrong? Of course you didn't. biggrin

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Originally Posted By: LOF_Rugg
No one elses opinion is as important as yours?


No, but you get points for creativity. Still dragging this thread OT...

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Originally Posted By: Sobek
I've wasted enough of my time on these boards


damn, who else went and purchased balloons, streamers and party poppers in the hope this would be Sobek's last statement??

I know I did....

Only to return home and see.....Yep, many more irrational posts and wasting of the server hosts bandwidth

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Originally Posted By: Winfield
...Yep, many more irrational posts and wasting of the server hosts bandwidth

Wow. Were you looking in the mirror when you said this?.. rolleyes

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Originally Posted By: Winfield
...Yep, many more irrational posts and wasting of the server hosts bandwidth

Wow. Were you looking in the mirror when you said this?.. rolleyes


your infatuation for me makes me blush every time you quote me, however I politely decline your advance, i'm married with a daughter.

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In for a penny...

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your infatuation for me makes me blush every time you quote me, however I politely decline your advance,


Kind of a noob move, choosing that line after chastising me for using it in the very same thread. smile

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I've wasted enough of my time on these boards trying to offer a different point of vew to people that have their mind set. It is a fools errand really.




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Am I doing it right ?



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you are clearly not doing it right.

please watch this


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... in for a pound.

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Originally Posted By: Sobek
I've wasted enough of my time on these boards trying to offer a different point of vew to people that have their mind set. It is a fools errand really.



Having a hard time to digest the massive amount of wisdom that is your post, Tom. If your intended message is that i'm contradicting myself, please note that the passage you quoted was with regards to the topic of Eagle Dynamics. I would never rid myself of the pleasure of conversing with such fine individuals as yourself and Winfield. wink

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