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Exactly. This setup is not fundamentally different from the well-known method of promotions and medals, it's just implemented poorly. As with most Russian sims we've had over the past decade plus, they put a lot of effort into what happens in the cockpit but the rest gets a functional pass. Does it work? That's sufficient then, no veneer, no gloss...no immersion. Why bother with those things you mention because in the end we still just fly missions to get access to a wider variety of stuff later? So just make it XP and unlocks and cut out the extra effort that they never want to spend on the UI and menus anyway.




The Jedi Master

Can I ask a question, in the interests of fairness would it be possible to have a mod for this sub forum
Who does NOT own the game , that way we can be sure of impartiality

Wasn't long ago they flat out denied such a version even existed.

Same as Jason flat out denied 777 had anything to do with 1C and the rumored new up coming flightsim (mere weeks later called BoS).

How many in between i have no idea.

Kind of. Jason denied a "free" version of the game, but to be fair it sounded more like no other version of the game was coming out, just the 60-80 dollar one.

I also remember before BoS Jason taking jabs at 1c's water in CLoD/BoM vs the channel map water from 777. Lots of jabs at the company that now are in bed together. I did find that amusing.

Well the aircraft unlocks are already present in the XP progress bars along with the field mods and skins. These are for those who purchased the standard or deluxe versions of the game after the official release date. I'm curious to see if the new Russian-only "starter" version uses the same pattern with the same XP requirements or if they did something such as increasing the amount of XP required for unlocks or perhaps moved the plane unlocks to the very end of the unlock bar.

I don't care if they own the game or not, but would be best if that someone was at least " Neutral" to the sim.

You know, I was there for the ROF weapons mods release and nobody posted being upset that they had to pay for them that I remember. I do remember some being upset that some of the actual mods were basically experimental and really shouldn't be used since they were never actually implemented as a standard weapons upgrade in WWI. I personally would much rather pay for a weapons mod package then grind for them. I honestly do not have the time to do it. If I have 3 or 4 hours a week to fly that is a lot for me, and I want to spend it just flying a good Single player mission or QMB and have everything available to load up the mission the way I want to. For the life of me, I still can't understand why they locked it all down, I enjoyed BOS very much before the locks and actually played it more. Now, I have just given up on it, waiting to see if they will come to their senses and open it back up. The same with the graphics adjustments. I am really hoping they will, because I would start using it again.

S!Blade<><

I don't either (have a lot of time) .. I have not started yet.. I remember on the forums there were somre who were pretty obtuse in opposition to the RoF model .. IDK if that ha a role in the dev's decision or not..

If this is what flight sims and developers have become, then I am more than happy to let the genre die.

I've already found new hobbies.

Not nice is it HogDriver, awful in fact.
I stopped buying planes etc in RoF time ago when Jason told one active and helpful forum member that he was "full of #%&*$#" when he dared question something.
Now I enjoy WoFF and CLoD Team Fussion so all is not lost.

I am still having tons of fun in good old IL2.. or BoS QMs... or DCS or CoD and RoF so I guess that is one reason why for me it is just not as big a deal.. I can give the team some time to polish their act up and I do believe it will get better and since I still have other outlets that scratch that itch quite well I see no need for me to be but so upset about it. I have yet to get online in CoD or DCS to any degree so that is there for me as well... it isn't that I am not as frustrated as everyone else or as disappointed as everyone else I just think that at this point there is not much that they can do. It is easy to assume that it is all a matter of changing a few lines of code and get infuriated about it but we don't know what is going on behind the scenes at 1CGS so ... ok .. it sucks for now... let's see where it is an X months.. In my opinion getting too upset about this is like driving with a lead foot in D.C. Metro traffic on a Friday ay 1600 hrs.. What's the point because you aren't going to go far so turn up the music or whatever it is you do and get through it. Eventually you will get home.

Just a thought...Have you tried to back off of your overclock?

lcarus1,

Just another thought - are you starting the game with the launcher or the game executable itself? If the launcher, do you have seed when downloaded checked? I would suggest unchecking that for sure.

Probably just a shot in the dark.

Respectfully, I see a little bit different view. No hysteria here, just thoughts.
1. I think we agree that frustration is quite high in a majority of the "hardcore simmers", and I would imagine at 1C/777 as well, IMHO. It takes real character and professionalism to admit when you are wrong and try to correct what you did wrong. This will earn more respect in a shorter time than anything else they could do, no question about it. When you have a brand new product that is advertised as the next great thing in your market and a lot of your customers are reporting they are not even using your product anymore(within 2 months of release), there is a problem.
2. 2 weeks before(at 90% complete, which Loft said was considered finished) the release 1C/777 changed to SP. QMB, Campaign and graphics full lock down. They can quickly and easily change this back. IMHO, again I say IMHO, it is someones Huge EGO about their vision of a new game model, that has no place in a true flight simulator, that is keeping this change for the long term good from happening.
3. Here is the deal with that analogy, 1C/777 put all of the traffic there. Bos was poised to let us drive pedal to the medal and then, well..... nuff said.
I hear you Bearcat, nothing but time will tell now. When I read Jasons latest comments on how the FMB just needs some serious 3rd party input or someone like PWCG to really show how good BOS is and allow the community to make it the way they want it, I flash back to ROF, where there is relatively little 3rd party(what is there is excellent) content compared with the likes of other great sims, and ROF has been around 5 years with this same FMB. The simplicity(and complexity if you want to delv deep) of IL2 1946, DCS and CLODs FMB (compared directly to ROF FMB) to go in and throw a detailed mission together in a very short time is what makes those sims great also. If you go on ROFs website, there are a handful of SP and Campaigns(literally) after 5 years of acceess to this FMB. That has to say something about its user friendliness? I have used the FMB for ROF and made missions for me and a few local buddies to host and fly, and it is not a simple or a quick process. Some Egos need to be checked and more needs to be done to make BOS accessible to all of the Customers that purchased it, not just the ones with high technical understanding and loads of time to invest in using BOS. There are 2 simple changes that Loft and the rest of 1C/777 can change that will turn BOS upside down from a good standpoint. The question is, are they mature enough to do it for the good of their own product, or will their Egos trudge along and possibly condemn a future for BOS?

S!Blade<><

Wow, that is concerning...

I purchased at 99 bucks and I was having crazy bugs.The worst was my planes were jerking everywhere as if they had damage all the time,even when I would first spawn.Posted numerous times and never a response from a dev.These guys leave a sour taste in the mouth be sure.