homepage Forums Air Combat & Civil Aviation DCS World DCS WWII: Europe 1944 Luthier out. ED is in.

You forgot this little gem...

http://bobgamehub.blogspot.dk/2014/03/remembering-project-galba.html

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Ohhh the Banana flashback hahahaha.

I'm not suprised this happened with Luthier. They should really come out with a documentary movie on all this sim drama. So many unknown things that are always kept secret.

Glad these planes will still see the light of day with ED working on them now.

That would probably be the end for ED's initiative to get 3rd parties invested into DCS. In business, if you kiss and tell you are going to run out of people to "kiss" fast.

I think "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" is loosely based on the sim industry if I remember correctly :P

Well said. I'm petty sure Ilya is a great guy with a real passion for flightsims but his skills at project management and communication seem lacking quite a bit, to put it politely.

When the DCS WWII kickstarter started he made big promises concerning regular updates. Probably well knowing that a lot of people were highly sceptical about new projects since CloD. IIRC it didn't took more than 4 weeks until he already broke them.

I don't want to come off as a wise-*ss but I could never fully grasp that there were people actually willing to fund a project led by Ilya after both the Pacific Fighters fail and the CloD debacle. I guess a lot of the backers were unfamiliar with his previous "work"? This is why I don't do crowd-funding, paid betas yes, sure. Just give something substantial for my money instead of empty promises and thin air. How much did he actually manage to raise? 158,000$ was it? *POFF*!

I want my dollar back !

However, let's face it. To compare this $158k to Star Citizen's I think $45m now? There's no doubt that far fewer people are into this. Maybe if it had made $500k...



The Jedi Master

What does this mean to paypal-backers?
I would ask on the ED-forums, but the forum doesn't let me register there.

I'd guess it will be handled like the other Kickstarter pledges, i.e. ED will fulfil them.

BoS arcadish/gamish? Sure it's not a study sim. But so long as flight physics and models are autentic, it's wrong to call it gamish.

Ha! Sure, I have been known to

But not when I wrote that one.

To turn it around, how many would pay $240 for 6 WWII warbirds that can only be flown over a modern Eastern Europe (or Nevada?!) map?

It will be v interesting to see what pricing policy ED goes with for the future WWII releases.

15 USD (the current sale price of the P51) is of course unrealistic, but would I pay 25 USD per kite, for a total of 150 USD?

Ouch! Maybe.

If it included a free key to the final game with Normandy map!

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I remember very well:
Banjo http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=314241&postcount=1

I almost foreseen that development with Ilya at controls. I�m so glad I did not backed that project.

The way I'd like to see this go is approximately this:

First, the Stang is out there already, so Red (yes, Red, has got to be Red in this context) has a good fighter already.

Second, release the FW for $50, and an extensive map and AI (including aircraft) pack for free.

Third, release comprehensively modelled (i.e. ASM/PFM) flyables for $50 a pop.

Fourth, release a CA-type ground module for $50.

Fifth - and this comes later - get all those stingy bastages who whined about the price (since they don't understand how expensive and time-consuming it is to make study-level sim models) by running a sale.

This.
And 777 guys DO deliver in contrast to... you know...

Thassaplan.

Quick, copyrite it then go over to Kickstarter and start raising funds!

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And thus, not directly comparable with study-level sim modules as it comes to cost and/or time of development. So as I said, apples and oranges.

If you take into consideration how much time an advanced flight model takes for beeing developed over at EDs and assossiates. Or how long it takes to make a 6DoF cockpit. And that BoS is not releasing one at a time but several. It's not that diferent in the end, it all comes down to man hours. So not apples and oranges but very much the same.

ED models all but classified systems for their aircraft. This means lots of manhours for preliminary research and verification, and all that before you write any FM and/or systems code at all. And indeed, 777 releasing not one but several AC at the same time actually points to their craft being simpler - and thus faster - to make, now doesn't it?

So yah, apples and oranges still.