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Hpasp #3808482 07/12/13 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

Could I ask a favor?
Can you collect and number the identified bugs?


yes dear hpasp

i found few bugs till now

number 1 :
problem with sa-2f and sa-2E anthena during launch and reflection during harm launch

number 2 :
problem with command guidance method against jamming target in sa-2F & E scenario that.....
you can hunt them with UPR method !

number 3 :
sa-3 missile during firing almost of time goes out from line of fly and missile rotating to left !
this happened done in lybia scenario also with alleid forces !

number 4 :
its about sa-3 again !
when u lock on jamming target and pusking ...
i moving the boresight for find explosion location and during this job
! sa-3 missile going out from fly line with move boresight !!!!

number 5 :
f105 wild weasels during vietnam war are miss with sa-2E !
when u switch to find them ... no one of them are in sky but with sa-2F they are visible !
{of course i test it only with first scenario at line break II .. no other scenarios ! please test}

part 2 of number 5 :
SNR ON AIR mode at After action report for sa-2E is missing !
for example when you are in ashuluk and switch on and off for several times then at after action report does not wrote
that when SNR goes to OFF or goes to ON

number 6 :


number 7 :
i see some bug in line break II
night-8 XII 26 / air defense battalion 274/86 not work ! (sa-2E.F)
night-9 XII 27 / air defense battalion 257/76 not work ! (sa-2E.F)


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Error Dvina against the SR-71

Operation Linebacker-II

Day-2 XII 19. 13.45

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in shilka PDF wrote ... TU= 4.17 is 2100 meters !

but look at my part of AAR !


00:07:39 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 3264m
Target azimuth: 307�
Target elevation: 9�
Tu: 4.2s
darkcloud

4.2 = 3264 ? confused

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Originally Posted By: farokh
in shilka PDF wrote ... TU= 4.17 is 2100 meters !

but look at my part of AAR !


00:07:39 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 3264m
Target azimuth: 307�
Target elevation: 9�
Tu: 4.2s
darkcloud

4.2 = 3264 ? confused


Please, add you full AAR...

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Click to reveal..
19:12pm 30th of June 1970
Second attack wave, against Cairo air defense.

Target:
10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade

Attacking Force:
8 F-4E Kurnass
4 A-4E Ahit

ZSU-23-4V1


+++++++++++++++++
00:07:25, SNR ON AIR



00:09:04 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 3248m
Target azimuth: 148�
Target elevation: 2�
Tu: 4.2s

00:09:05 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 52pcs.



00:09:06 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 2583m
Target azimuth: 147�
Target elevation: 3�
Tu: 3.1s

00:09:07 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 60pcs.



00:09:09 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 1898m
Target azimuth: 145�
Target elevation: 3�
Tu: 2.1s

00:09:10 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 60pcs.



00:09:12 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 1153m
Target azimuth: 138�
Target elevation: 5�
Tu: 1.1s

00:09:13 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 64pcs.


00:09:13 A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by OFZT.

00:09:13 A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by BZT.

00:09:13 A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by OFZT.


00:09:23 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 2053m
Target azimuth: 146�
Target elevation: 3�
Tu: 2.3s

00:09:24 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 52pcs.



00:09:26 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 1300m
Target azimuth: 141�
Target elevation: 4�
Tu: 1.3s

00:09:27 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 60pcs.


00:09:27 A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by OFZT.

00:09:27 A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by OFZT.

00:09:28 A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by OFZT.

00:09:28 A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by BZT.

00:09:28 A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by OFZT.

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Target distance is where the target was when you opened fire.... As target approaches (with ~ 300 m/s at least), Tu in seconds is calculated where the target will be....

So if A-4 goes with zero parameter - 3284 meters - (Tu * Speed of A-4): 3284 - 4.2*300 m/s = 3284 - 1260 = 2024 meters....

I don't find a bug here.... Also, some of "bugs" you collect, are not bugs, like:

5, 6, 7...

3 and 4 - cannot understand what you're talking about....

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Originally Posted By: piston79
Target distance is where the target was when you opened fire.... As target approaches (with ~ 300 m/s at least), Tu in seconds is calculated where the target will be....

So if A-4 goes with zero parameter - 3284 meters - (Tu * Speed of A-4): 3284 - 4.2*300 m/s = 3284 - 1260 = 2024 meters....

I don't find a bug here.... Also, some of "bugs" you collect, are not bugs, like:

5, 6, 7...

3 and 4 - cannot understand what you're talking about....


num 6 is my mistake but i test them again !
they already are bugs!

6.do u remember last month that we had one exercise in fb ?
and we test 5KM mode with K3 sa-2E !
but on our AAR no sign from SNR OFF time .... ! just test it man

7. still bugs ! please test them with sa-2 E . F


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Originally Posted By: farokh

7. still bugs ! please test them with sa-2 E . F


No bug at all.... Please, check AAR....

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Originally Posted By: piston79
[quote=farokh]
7. still bugs ! please test them with sa-2 E . F


+1 duh

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Faroukh, please be more specific with 2, 3 and 4 from your bug list.... A video could be welcome....
Please, do not delete bugs from your initial list, even if they are proven false....

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Originally Posted By: piston79
Faroukh, please be more specific with 2, 3 and 4 from your bug list.... A video could be welcome....
Please, do not delete bugs from your initial list, even if they are proven false....


about 3 and 4 i will create a video for future
but about 2 is so easy !
in real world could u fire sa-2 missiles by UPR method to a jammer target ?
if yes!!!
so its not a bug ! test it thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: farokh

in real world could u fire sa-2 missiles by UPR method to a jammer target ?
if yes!!!
so its not a bug ! test it thumbsup


I did, but nothing happens... Could you test the same scenario with other systems? Did they behave like that?

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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh

in real world could u fire sa-2 missiles by UPR method to a jammer target ?
if yes!!!
so its not a bug ! test it thumbsup


I did, but nothing happens... Could you test the same scenario with other systems? Did they behave like that?


is it enough ?

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22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV


5/250 rd PVO, Brestovik ( 210m)
S-75M3 Volkhov


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:00, SNR ON AIR


00:00:16, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:01:46, V-759 5Ya23 Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 35km
Target azimuth: 211�
Target elevation: 27�
Target altitude: 16.1km
SNR mode: Wide Beam H<5 - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:01:57, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 2


00:02:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 34m)

00:02:27, IRZ knocked out by HARM


00:02:52, V-759 5Ya23 Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 35km
Target azimuth: 150�
Target elevation: 24�
Target altitude: 14.3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam H<5 - 75km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:02:58, V-759 5Ya23 Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 35km
Target azimuth: 148�
Target elevation: 25�
Target altitude: 14.8km
SNR mode: Wide Beam H<5 - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:03:04, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-4 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:03:29, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-4 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 30m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 32sec



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02:04am 2nd of May, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, F-16CG Falcon DEAD mission against Belgrade Air Defense


Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV


8/250 rd PVO, Stubline ( 89m)
S-75M3 Volkhov


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:00, SNR ON AIR


00:02:32, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 35km
Target azimuth: 124�
Target elevation: 20�
Target altitude: 12km
SNR mode: Wide Beam H<5 - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:02:45, F-16CJ Weasel Falcon SEAD Crack-71 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1

00:02:47, F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-31 bombed AAA defending the Veliki Radinci reserve AFB, with LGB.

00:03:07, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-16CJ Weasel Falcon SEAD Crack-71 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 48m)

00:03:51, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 35km
Target azimuth: 279�
Target elevation: 16�
Target altitude: 9.8km
SNR mode: Wide Beam H<5 - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:04:24, Missile exploded on Channel-1
RQ-1 Predator UAV killed by SAM. (miss distance: 3m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 4min 44sec

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Is it same with SA-2F?

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anything else ?

Click to reveal..
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV


5/250 rd PVO, Brestovik ( 210m)
SA-75M Dvina


+++++++++++++++++
00:01:44, SNR ON AIR


00:01:53, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:01:55, SNR ON AIR


00:02:05, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:02:09, SNR ON AIR


00:02:17, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:02:19, SNR ON AIR


00:02:23, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 30km
Target azimuth: 244�
Target elevation: 34�
Target altitude: 17km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:02:34, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:02:45, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 28m)

00:02:48, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


00:02:54, IRZ knocked out by HARM


+++++++++++++++++
00:03:03, SNR ON AIR


00:03:10, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


00:03:13, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 30km
Target azimuth: 117�
Target elevation: 30�
Target altitude: 15.4km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


+++++++++++++++++
00:03:15, SNR ON AIR


00:03:23, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:03:27, SNR ON AIR


00:03:38, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-4 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 32m)

00:03:41, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 26sec

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yes.... which is your SAMSIM version? 0.926.x ?

And how about the video of your launching sequence? Does ANYONE could confirm that bug too?

Guys, help!

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Originally Posted By: piston79
yes.... which is your SAMSIM version? 0.926.x ?

And how about the video of your launching sequence? Does ANYONE could confirm that bug too?

Guys, help!
my version is 926c
maybe for tommarow i make a short video from this ........

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Taken from Manual Supplement by Vintorez:-
Rab-ot-VM is of some use when shooting at low-altitude jamming targets. A �chaff corridor�, which detonates your missiles before the target, is conceivable only for high-altitude targets. In such case, do not forget to switch radio fuse 100-m sensitivity on.

Video shows imitation shooting at the low-altitude jamming target [USU NLC + RAB OT VM + TT]. (Ideal conditions)
No hits, if the fuse in the switch "USU NLC"/"ZAGRUB RV"
The average miss distance -40m.
Probably bug


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Probably bug
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Originally Posted By: farokh
my version is 926c
maybe for tommarow i make a short video from this ........


Mine is 0.926.8, which, I believe, is last one....

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