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Hmmm, good point.

I have a feeling the "end of the era of gimbals" is just a marketing statement. Everyone complains about the Cougar's stock gimbals, so it sounds good to say they're getting rid of them.

It's not just a marketing statement bud. The internals are a complete departure from the F22 / Cougar design.

More news to follow on that and other aspects I'm sure.

Cheers

James

My 0,02 = This Warthog is "force sensor" stick like X-65F... Affter all, many Cougar uses spend almost U$ 1000 to MOD yours to force sense...

And, no make sense continue use pots in "hight end" HOTAS: totay all in one HALL sensor is cheap than a reasonable pot... Luck of end users.

Sokol1

How can it be a force sensor stick and yet still use Hall sensors? They need movement to work. It would also seem pretty pointless developing such a high spec stick/throttle (given the quoted resolution specs) modelled on a specific aircraft and then go with a totally different mechanism than the real bird...

I'm assuming from James's comments that they have developed or are using a different movement mechanism than traditional gimbals - perhaps it is some kind of semi-rigid material that needs no moving parts that allows the stick full movement travel with a 3d Hall sensor mounted below or some kind of rigid spring?

Seems it's using the same tech as the Thrustmaster T.16000M (H.E.A.R.T - HALLEFFECT ACCURATE TECHNOLOGY�), although much higher resolution (T.16000M 14 bit, new Warthog 16 bit on stick), so I do believe this thing will move, and it got the same ''ball'' underneath, only thing is that judging the picture from the stick, it looks like there isn't much movement area, so still not really sure.

It is not a force sensor stick. The stick moves.

I'm a big fan of force sensor sticks. I use a FSSB R2 modded Cougar daily flying the F-16 in the 87th, and am therefore a big fan of force sensor technology. But if I could only have one stick, particularly if I flew WW2 sims, I'd definitely want one that moves. So I think it's a brave move for any company to consider mass sales of a force sensor stick. But kudos on others for throwing more choice our way. Always to be applauded.

Nutty

I thought you were just hoping that's what the throttle would feature but I see now from the add that it will indeed feature additional controls, switches etc.! Great stuff.

That throttle looks really awsome yes, I just wish they would sell them separate, saitek same, for me I rather have rudder on my stick, since I can't sit comfortable with foot rudders. Got the Thrustmaster 16000M and while the stick is great, the throttle on it not, so having the option buying such great throttle(s) as a stand alone product, would be my wish.

Thanks for the (small bit of) info, James. I couldn't stop myself from speculating today, but I will just sit back and wait for official info.

Nutty,

This statement has decided many pre-orders.

Sokol1

Can anyone give a rough estimation of when it will hit the market? I may have missed it, and I apologize if I did, but there will be some money in the budget this March so I'd like to plan my strategy now for getting it in the house under the radar!

Thanks

A bit unrelated to this, since it's a complete product. However, it think it should be possible to actually have both. Use force sensors on the stick, detecting the bending moment, and a centering spring underneath the assembly with tension adjustment and ultimately stick lock to sort out the amount of movement allowed, if any, and strength of return. Adding in force feedback would still be messy, though. Btw, love my Cougar, and love Foxy, I just wish it could run it in Linux too, but you can't have everything...

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Will Guillemot/Thrustmaster stop being such a cocktease already?

Even with all the rampant CES coverage, I still haven't seen anything concrete on the HOTAS Warthog yet!

This could very well be my next HOTAS (I might-just might-sell my Cougar to get one), but I have to make sure this one's exactly what I want first!

Yes it has....thank goodness that TM isn't going down that road.

Seems like they didn't show it at the CES or I must have missed it. Shame! When can we expect more info?

I was expecting full disclosure in CES...we didn't get that. Actually, the only thing we got was a slighty updated flash ad on their site.

I have feeling we will be waiting it for a long time

Anybody know what type of rudder pedals it can use - USB, 15 pin, or proprietary? Be nice if I could use the Simpeds I currently use with my Cougar.

V/R

Bob Mercer

I strongly hope that it will be seperate from the rudder pedals, just like Saitek or CH.

No one HOTAS or stick restrain use stand alone USB Rudder Pedal. So...

You can use stand alone rudder pedal with X-52/PRo that HAVE twist rudder, just reconfigure axis.

This is problem (USB HOTAS plus stand alone rudder pedal) if you use old games, ie Red Baron3D.

The advantage of Cougar + gameport (today only Simped or VKB have compatible versions) rudder pedal is that is turned in one virtual device for Windows (CH do this too).

Sokol1