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Yeah, you're right. That does sound more interesting.....

"Does Foxy dictate the programmability of the Cougar? No."

Does this matter? No.


"Can a user program his Cougar fully without Foxy installed? Yes."

Does this matter? No.


"Now can a CH user combine his controllers into one and program them without Control Manager installed? No."

Does this matter? No.

Soooooo, anyways, what's the scoop on the new (?) Logitech HOTAS?

SimHQ review of the Logitech G940:
http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_155a.html

Depends on the sim

Back on topic...

What's the BEST HOTAS? Well, I've already got it IMO. But...

Bob's workin' on that last .2 Joe

James, please, we both know the history of both softwares. And they both began with one man. He just decided to switch camps and you picked up the ball and took it to where Foxy is today. Nothing wrong with that, matter o' fact I'm quite sure Cougar owners all over the world admire and thank you for what you've given them. But, be honest with yourself, has Foxy kept pace with Control Manager?

Ghost, your bias toward CH Products if world famous. So much so it makes me sick, so sick that every time I've thought about buying some CH gear, I stop myself. Your rabid fanboi act has gone to far for some.

Sooooo stating the truth about [insert brand name HOTAS] is bias, and makes you ill. May I suggest actually looking into what I've posted? I've tried and liked some features of brands X, Y and Z. I just happend to settle for nothing less (for me) than the best. The best in regards to, programability, support, ruggedness. Oh, and they're modable too CH Products Fanboi? Okay, I'll wear that badge proudly! Ask anybody that knows me here, (and I'll say this again) I could care less what you fly with, be happy with your decision.

OK well here is my take on it....again. First off I do not work for and I am in no way affiliated with TM. I have recommended many Cougars and have three of my own. My Uber 2NXT MODDED and FSSB modded Cougars beat the living hell out of any CH period. I should not even mention those in the same sentence as CH. Those MODS of course cost an awful lot more than a stock kitty or a CH so let�s move on to that point next......

There is a lot of incorrect, overstated, exaggerated and outright misinformation being posted by the CH camp (also again and as usual). Stock Cougars are every bit as good as any stock CH. Yes I have opened the stick and I know the internals pretty well. I have also used 50 cents worth of Mylar and two staples to alleviate the potential wear/increased center play over time issue that many exaggerate as a disastrous defect that will cost you hundreds of dollars to MOD. That is a LIE! It is simply is not the case.

For the many stock Cougar owners out there that I know and have recommended the product to none of them, absolutely none of them are dissatisfied with their Kitty�s and many have owned them for a number of years. The potentiometers in the Cougars are nowhere near any type of serious issue and rarely need to be replaced, again many I know with stock Cougars have never had to.

Programming:
The CH does indeed have more in depth programming capabilities but Foxy leaves you wanting for absolutely nothing in that department. Both Foxy and CM are far more than any one will ever need in advanced programming capabilities.

Also the Cougar is all metal and ergonomically beautiful, massive and substantial, cold and cool. Don't believe everything you read.

I can�t wait to see the A-10 warthog HOTAS.

Out

Is it just me or is this CH vs Kitty debate looking alot like Rock-em Sock-em Robots! lol

I have both and I like.................................

I purchased a Uber 2NXT MODDED Cougar. I did not like it. I tried.. SO HARD I tried to like it after I spend the money I did. It just did not have the precision teh CH Setup had out of the box. If I had not used a CH prior I probly would have liked it. It did look cool as hell.

CH is not perfect but for precision and durability it is second to none from my experience. So the kitty has been sold and teh CH is back on the desk.

Funny about this eternal "What is the best HOTAS" (a hardware) question around forums is every time end in "the best software" discussion.

Sokol1

Ladies and Germs, the thing I like (and dislike) about simmers is how passionate and opinionated we are. I count myself in there as well.

We each have our own perceptions, our own biases, our own opinions. That is as it should be. It doesn't make one "right" and the other "wrong". I don't mind sharing interests and those perceptions, but any animosity needs to be checked at the door.

Hey Ghost, what I meant was who cares if the Control Manager is installed? It's not like it has any negative level of overhead and anyone who is going to buy a HOTAS setup isn't exactly going to operate it like it is a 2 button stick or something.

And being able to combine all of the controllers as a single device is one of many reasons why I went the CH Products route. I simply don't view having to have the CH Control Manager installed as being a negative.

Ok let's clear something up here Ghost. You have no idea about the history of the softwares. So let me educate you. Fox 2, from which Foxy is ultimately derived began before I knew Bob. The work we did together subsequently was great fun and very educational for me. My history with TM controllers and the controller community predates what you and your ilk have become synonymous with. Why you continue to deride my work, or make comparisons when you've never used it, has me confused. It's not an intelligent thing to do, so why persist? If you're so impressed with the CH and its software, then let them sell themselves on their own merits. Why do you and the CH camp continue with this underhand and childish behaviour across the forums?



Kept pace? Are you joking me? I see you still have no clue as to what Foxy is and what the Control Manager is. You make comparisons with no experience or knowledge of Foxy but you continue to deride it. How can you make statements about Foxy with no knowledge of it? You and others still think Foxy defines the programmability of the Cougar. The features of Foxy and its applications are extensive. Go and see what it can do and you will see an extensive list of features absent in other software.

But best of all, just grow up and stop all of this crap once and for all.

Nutty

Hey guys... Can we stop the back and forth barbs here now? Not only is it bad form here, but it is pointless... CH and TM BOTH make excellent products. Some prefer one over the other. Others like both. Both companies are winners in my book. End of story.

Seriously, it's reminding me of the old Combatsim.com in here right about now...

-Skater

James, if you could answer my technical questions I think we all might gain a better understanding of the Foxy/Cougar combination. You've said multiple times in this thread that Foxy does not define the programmability of the Cougar. As zcaa0g said: "Does this matter? No." It doesn't, because everyone that's programming their Cougar uses Foxy (just like everyone that's using their CH hardware in its complicated form uses Control Manager).

So, why make statements like this without giving the readers of this thread any information about why you are making such statements? I'm trying to learn something and it's not working out very well.

I see my well intentioned advice got passed right over. You guys just cannot help but dig into each other.

My finger is hovering over the button on this thread. Prove me wrong and respond with civility.

Maybe as the OP i should have said "what is the preferred Hotas to us with BS" out of the 3 that i have already mentioned.