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Spot on Moggy about getting on with it and not trying to do everything hits the nail on the head for me. My heart sank when they announced the merger/internecine operations

Just pop the WW1 planes in there and move the furniture about a bit that's what I'd hoped for

Never say die though mate Oleg dropped out of the sky and maybe someone else will, room for more than one flight-sim developer we're gagging for more even the arcade games developers are looking at more flying games people like to fly the bigwigs are cottoning on maybe

Ming

Come on Mogster, you're kidding, right?!!!



If you've got it in WW2, it probably had already been developed for the First Air War! :rolleyes:

No comment, trying to stay positive.

Lord Kelvin

Sigh.

Changing engines.

So, is this Duke Nukem Forever or Team Fortress 2?

The only thing worse is if they would say it'll be open code that will allow for changes of the FM/DM by users.

Yeah the Kelvin score that's it Flatlander where MSFS terrain scores seven Kelvins and Oleg's FB scores eighty five Kelvins on a scale of one to one hundred Kelvins. One Kelvin is your kid's drawing of her house with Mum and Dad in the garden in deckchairs and 100 Kelvins is a photograph of Dover Priory. It's a very economical system

Following the thought that Kelvin did for terrain what Newton did for physics. Made it popular

Ming

how many Kelvins am I bid, for this genuine Rigelian Orb of Flatulence....anyone?

New engine eh?....4th Qtr 2007 release.
Well into BoBs 2nd patch and rumours of imminent
Med. addon before my 1st solo in an Se5a...bah.

another case of "MS = bad, any other = good" type of thinking...
That rates many kelvins in my book :

Now you're talking.

Yes something like that please but without the sprites, maybe using SpeedTree including optional Chainsaw of Mington

And no Lazy Water of Gates of course or I'll want my money back be warned we've moved on.

Ming

What is the situation regarding two-seaters? Does anyone know?

I don't know of any out-of-the-box simulation that models them as flyable, so this could be a much awaited first.

First evidence of an SE5! Fantastic.

Now we just need some evidence of a game engine

They've licensed the PF engine from Oleg haven't they Moggy? Forgetting the new developments I mean, I thought I saw them say that they'd licensed Oleg's PF engine and they'll probably have the standard tools like the ones Ian used for the new maps, the planes look sorted

They're probably just keeping things quiet as any team would in the initial stages, in case something goes wrong. Have to wait for trickle-downs as always.

Unless one of the team takes pity on us and asks if he can release an early temptation

Looking at Crimea the other night so beautiful we're 90% of the way there already if they have Oleg's engine warming up

Ming

I was under the impression that with the merger of DS and GT they'd broken away from Maddox. Reading Barkhorns post above it seems to pretty much state this sim is no longer going to use The IL2 engine in any shape or form.

This is correct isn't it?

Perhaps there were some irreparable shortcomings with using the IL-2 engine for a new WWI flight sim, but this change of direction mid-stream is not encouraging. Especially when considering a (good) flight-sim engine is arguably the most difficult undertaking in game development, more so when combat/destruction is an integral part of the game.

Are they still shooting for a years-end release? I find it hard to believe that a change like this would add less than 6 months to the development cycle.

The models look incredible, but dumping the IL-2 engine entirely so shortly after a merging of teams destroys my level of confidence in this project.

I dunno, maybe some in-game video other than tech demos will light the fires again. We'll see...

Wow. More fickle than a pack of women.

...I'm just saying...

The IL2 engine is getting on a bit now but I'm sure we could have had a very decent WW1 sim with it. IL2's best at low alt skimming the trees, ideal for WW1 aviation.

The biplanes in Il2 seem to handle well enough. I find it hard to believe that there was some unsurmountable problem. What I can believe is that Petrovich wanted to go his own way physics wise after he joined the team, or maybe wanted more access to Olegs code than he was willing to give. Just speculating

From a recent post by =FB=LOFT from the Gennadich team:

"Not convenient to us to use IL2 of engine because it is written with jawa code. We do not want to work on jawa. + there is several ideas which we will not be able to realize on IL2 engine with its entire attractiveness. Therefore we wrote our engine with work name �Newtonika.� So we are now expected engine оf �digitalNature� from d �striсt group. "

You can read the whole post here:

http://www.gennadich.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2625&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

I suspect Jawa should be Java, personally I would have thought using Java was good as in theory it could be made to run an any operating system, but I guess the diversity of hardware & drivers required for the different systems that it would be easier to stick to the Windows platform.

Either way I am sure the team will produce a quality product, as they appear to be interested in anything useful & productive.

PC

I can understand people being worried . I am . We've all been burned before by Knights Over Europe. I think most have "A Bird In The Hand ...." approach. Hopefully th only problem will be that the game will be delayed some. I have faith in the Russian people . If it was being made in American I would say forget it.

I'd call it more disappointment than worry, but I think you hit on something with Knights Over Europe falling apart. For those of us that enjoy the WWI aircraft just as much, if not more than WWII, we've seen a few WWI projects that have shown promise since RB3. I'm still not playing any of them.

Yes, a Russian development house is far more likely to make it to release with something like this. Maybe I'm wrong to be disappointed, but to me, changing an engine mid-development is like suddenly deciding that you want to use different blueprints after you've already framed the house. It's possible, but there's no-way you're going to have a finished product with the same commitment of time and money. Russian house or not, a budget can only be stretched so far.

I'm sorry to hear that Java was evidently a major hurdle, but for an engine that was so good at portraying low-level flight, IL-2 seemed like a better fit for WWI aircraft than WWII.

There's pack of rabid WWI simmers out there just waiting to throw money at the next decent sim that has a great FM, implements physics well and uses current graphics tech. Maybe this will be the one to cash in on that.

Oh, and you're effin right they're a bunch of picky M-F'rs, but you'll seldom find a more loyal group of gamers... anywhere.