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You guys clearly have some of the best texture artist in the business. And great modelers too.

Where do I find some terrain shots?

There's something at the other developers' site RSnake, not Gennadich's. Looks suitably South Downs Village but I've only seen it on this crappy work monitor, the link must be nearby somewhere

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Speaking of pulling the terrain along.....here's an interesting question and answer taken from GT's forum discussions:

Corki: So is there any news on if it will be IL2 adapted scenery or Sikorsky's engine for that bit or a bit of both?

VikS: A bit of both an more, it will be GT`s own

Pfaltz DIII

Looks great.

I am really looking forward to this sim.

Cheers,

RocketDog.

Devs have stated by end of this year. And if they code w/ the speed they make models, they should hit that date.

Barkhorn.

It would be kind of fun to roar up to your Camel in this car and then hop in the crate for your next mission:



Barkhorn.

Thanks Barkhorn. I know it may not come out right then but at least have a 4-6 month window to aim for now.

I am more looking forward to this than SOW:BOB since I don't have a PC that will run the latter and I have played BOB scenarios alot the last few years.

Based on what we're seeing...BoB and Knights will probably be similar in what they require. Maybe moreso in the graphics department...Knights may be gentler on the CPU. A bit.

I hope to god that that's not the case. If they're using the same engine, I'd kind of assumed that it would be still playable on FB-compatible computers. One of the best things about FB is that it's efficently coded imo, and very scalable. I'd be concerned about map sizes, and AI troops, but would still be happy with online maps and a mission builder.

Could we get a developer hint at specs? No-one's going to hold you to it...

Well:
Here is some very interesting information. First FB_LOFT posted some big news on the GT forum - and then FlyXwire asked for clarification and here was FB_LOFTS response:
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Yes this is correct. This is the new solution. We accepted even it at the beginning of work. About the reasons for this solution I wrote before this. Best anything on IL2 of engine is obtained IL2 but it already is. We had additional time and calculated by the possible to use new possibilities and ideas and not to repeat old.


Yes its correct.


Yes. We plan to analys d-sticct engine on first week of July. And i think we can use some parts of thise engine. But i can`t say anything right now. Only after analys.

Aabsolute you correct.

Fly responds again...then FB_Viks gets into it and posts this:
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You didnt get one thing - we will have our own, made from 0 to 100, Flight Model and dynamic engine made by our own programmers and flight dinamics engeeneer. (An.Petrovich - if you know him - he where workin over AFM in Eagle Dynamics).

correct, and also we can bring much more physics futures into our game by using our own FM and game-core.

you know, we cant tell you about it cause alot of reasons, and some of them does not depend on us

The reason is..
that we will try to make it better, cause we know it by our own experience - what we whant from the aviasimulator.

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Everybody got all that?

Barkhorn.

Hmmm, don't know why, but this worries me somewhat. The Il-2 engine is very good, tried and tested. for a new team, to make their own. Whoa: ambitious. But An.Petrovich is very good, if he is the one I think it is, from Lock-On.

I guess I should be happy, because usually choice is a good thing and you only get that with different options on the table, but somehow, I'm just as bit worried.

Well, I'm beyond worrying anymore if a new WWI sim will ever come out or not (but I understand your sentiments Freycinet).

As sim fans, potential customers, and maybe even contributors to "the cause", all we can do is support these efforts, and beyond that it's up to the designers to drive their project forwards!

Oh....and to Barkhorn.....tattle-tale!!!

Well, I consider this a little disconcerting. I wouldn't want to think they had to struggle to shoehorn a new sim into 7-year old code... but on the other hand, it might have saved a lot of effort, that could have gone into other things (gruesome animal animations).

On the plus side, we won't be getting killed through clouds. By our wingmen.

Thanks Barkhorn that's sounding very interesting indeed.

Newtonika... we can bring much more physics futures into our game

No prizes for wondering if those two items are not sounding like the new team is very ambitious to build a killer sim with hardware physics in mind. A WW1 sim based on Principia what else is Newton known for but Physic. Ok explaining the rainbow. And discovering that sunlight is encoded. And explaining gravity. Well ok fair enough but what else has he done for us Romans?

Inspired a new WW1 sim who said that

Who was that bloke who discovered that the Earth is a dynamic world not a Disneyland created 4004 years ago after he measured glacial valleys in deposition and erosion and estimated that the earth must be very old? All from a horse and cart and a small Thermos. Real man of the soil. I want to see his name in the credits too. Wasn't Bill Oddy no

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Aqueducts?

Congrat Guys Models and texturing look fabulous!

The new engine seems to be a great solution, probably the solution wich give most freedom to work. Especialy this type of Sim, that is a bit complicated to make due to the type of fighting. Low speed, low altitude, lot of thing on the ground, and of course, a detailed land adapted to the huge land fight there was during this war. I thing the IL2 engine is a bit "old" to build all those 3D animation with an acceptable frame rate.

In other way, like Freycinet, I'm a bit worried about the issue of the soft. For sure using IL2 engine would be probably more confortable to make something that look like WWI a�rial fight. But to make something very immersive and accurate to the WWI events, it's clear that you need something new.

Keep on the good work, I'm waiting it really more than the Sow BoB. Your sim will certainly be the new reference for WWI fight. Thank you so much.

I was not sure to buy another computer to read BoB... But for this WWI sim, I've began to put some money in the little pig

New update has been posted. SE5a cockpit, a tank and a video I am downloading now!

http://www.gennadich.com/id/320/


Enjoy

I can see this from two sides.

One way I'm glad that GT are making their own sim engine. Competition is always a good thing and there's no one to keep Maddox games honest at the moment. Petrovich's flight model work with Lock On's AFM is extremely impressive, if he can do something similar with WW1 then Oleg will have some serious competition in the physics arena.

On the other hand I'd like to see GT's sim sooner rather than later. I wish GT had shipped the current build using the IL2 engine and accepting its short comings, its not that bad, I'm sure it could easilly have made the best WW1 sim available. GT would have a game on the shelves, and revenue from it. They'd also have a proven track record. At the moment I just feel that we won't see anything from GT past the 3D model stage. I really hope I'm wrong.
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The download just shows some nice ocean water effects. They'd be nice for a Paific WW2 sim but how usefull are they in a WW1 sim :rolleyes: