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Oh no!
Crop has doth called me a troll!

I put forth an opinion, and Crop must slash it down! Oh crop. what shall I do? Ottowa Joe, please spare me.

Normally, this is the response you'd expect from someone that has run out of ammunition to debate with.

Kinda typical playbook style, eh, Crop?

Get off my leg, man. Either play ball or get off the field.

I'm REALLY tired of dealing with people like you... on all forums.

You get banned from just about every forum you attempt to join... and it's ALWAYS for the same reasons. It's sort of entertaining at first, but after a while it just becomes really really tiresome. I mean the physical kind of tiresome. Where one makes themselves dizzy shaking their head at the antics.

Pepole call your bluff, and you just kind of back away. Why is that, Croppy? $100 is yours to grasp. You started this by your response.

I'm going to get in the habit of responding to replies put forth by you. The constant "backing away" I hope establishes the pattern.

Right or wrong, I will always respond to people like you.

All people are fed up with dealing with people with the likes of YOU!

Go look at your original post in this thread. A one line zinger with no point or or reason for your comment.

Then you post this payola troll

Again you post a comment with no reason or point

And I called your bluff on it

Then you repost with conditions on your bet

Get lost loser troll.

SimHQ is NOT CWoS.

BTW your preformance in this thread shows all what you really are....

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=001612;p=7

If it is anywhere near the quality of IL2 series I will buy it.....there is little competition in the WWI flight sim area. A WWI mod of CFS3 should be out long before then but I'm thinking it may be as buggy as the original....hope not.

Let's just ignore the last couple of postings, before izan's...

Double-tap, those are wise words indeed: it is very true that the development team should stick to their ideas and aspirations. That is definitely the basis for getting a product out of the door.

As for the campaign system. I don't think the WWI scenario really begs for moving frontlines, etc. Of course some progress in a pilot career, etc, but I don't see that drastic improvements over Il-2FB are needed in this aspect.

There are other subtle ways to improve immersion; music, cut scenes, etc, but I really want a great flying sim, not an interactive movie. My imagination takes well care of that!

Fokker Dr.I can outturn everything !

...and I want a Junkers J1 for ground attack !

I'm sorry to hear that the sim-date planned for start is 1916 - I was looking forward to aiming my Webley with the mouse - if you can score a PK, you are HOT stuff !

Eindekkers would have been nice, but I'll greedily take any WWI fix that comes my way - and based on IL2 means it will be starting from a baseline of "very very good".

It makes sense to begin with 1916-18, since the yanks will be there and the planes will have higher performance. With pre-1916 planes, some people might be shocked to have to nurse early-war planes around the sky in feeble turns and dives, to keep them from falling apart (which they did!).

I think people will be shocked anyways. Try flying the biplanes we now have around the sky at ~100mph.

The Camel with the Clerget 140hp motor took 8.5 minutes to reach 10,000ft and 15.75 minutes to reach 15,000ft.

The above from Chaz Boyer's Sopwith Camel - King of Combat. ISBN 0-946627-49-5

No conditions, Crop.
Just location-centric. I'm from the US. It will never see the light of day in the US. Much like the possibility the russian addons will not see the light of day... in the US.

Not a condition, just being a bit more specific. If THAT is what you're holding on to for dear life, I'm sad for you.

If you'd like to have the bet without the condition, that's fine. I'll offer it. NOW are you interested?

PS: Light of day means as a bona fide product. Not a tech demo or something equally mundane.

I'm not bluffing. I've offered now 3 times for you to take my friendly wager, and you won't. And my first post you assigned the tone to it, would it have helped if I put in a smiley?

You do know what sarcasm paired with cynicism and reverse psychology mean, right?

The purity of it (WWI flying) is the biggest attraction for me.

It's already been said, but WWI aircraft are probably more suited to computer gaming (IMO).

Lower closing velocities = more time between seeing just a dot and getting to a merge - Being able to see the other guy's aspect earlier to maneuver against him.

Hope it's got full Track IR support too.

I'd guess skipping 1915 is also to avoid the Eindecker - the whining from the other side might be non-stop during the Fokker Scourge.

Papa_K

Well, besides the WWI sim being discussed here, Over Flanders Field mod ( http://www.off.oldbrowndog.net/index.htm ), and TK's effort ( http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2003 ), there is also this one in the works too: http://www.d-strict.com/

Looks like some great WWI goodness ahead!

LMAO at Slap!

Dude, have you noticed that you are the only one that is nekid?

OK, somebody else get nekid to make Slap feel better ... OK, thanks for helping Ming.

'kay, I'm in!

Tolwyn, Crop

knock it off, or take it to PMs please

With OFF, Third Wire and GT all in the WW1 game I'm feeling pretty good about one, some, or all making it to the finish line. If they all do... I will support them all. Still one of my most memorable moments in computer gaming was the first time I played RB. There is just something about the up close and personal dance of WW1 dogfight

Man, I can hear it from the t&b'ers already... "oh sure, run away b&z woosies... why not come back and turn fight me like a real man"

Still... can't wait.

I'm in.

All the fun of WWI with the FM fidelity of the IL-2 series? Yeah, baby!

Not being a serious FM sort of fellow, so long as the Camel has wicked torque, a blipping engine, the Snipe good maneuverability (but not a lot of power) and the DH-2 lives up to it's name as the "whirling incenerator" I'm happy.

Red Baron was the first sim that really, really interested me, and Red Bareon 3D (RB3D) completely captured me for a couple of years, especially since online play became reasonable right about the time it hit it's prime.

The upsides of RB3D were the online play, the fun of WWI, and - above all else - the online community that came with it. Indeed, I flew the sim for the last six months not because it was fun so much as I didn't want to let go of the great friends I made there. Indeed, the BA in my nick here is from those days when I was an RFC 101 "Black Adder."

The downsides was the open FM/DM, and the technology getting away from Glide. I'm not disparaging the fine work done by the community one bit, but I suffered greatly from FM confusion towards the end, which sucked the joy out of flying for me. Am I flying NFM (Normal Flight Model), Flanders in Flames (FiF), or the Great War flight model? Add in that every tourney tended to have an improved FM/DM, and one could find oneself flying a new sim every six months or so (or flying multiple FM's simultaneously).

Add in the 'hit box' DM (which was very cool for the time the sim was made), and I found myself trying to "sim the sim." Indeed, more than one RB3D'er that tried IL-2 out was shocked to find that I, the worst virtual pilot in WWI (validated, as I was dead last in the individual rankings of a major tournament two years running), could shoot them down, while they shot at my wingtips where the hit boxes would "normally" be and got bupkiss.

I can't stress enough how the failings were mine, not the community's (or even the sim's), as it is still around and kicking.

I had a whale of a good time with RB3D, and would love to fly the WWI skies again in a more modern simulation.

Looking forward to a WWI sim on the IL2 engine. I only buy hardware for WWI flight sims. Without RB3D, I'd have never bothered with EAW, WW2Fighters, Rowan's BoB, etc. So by giving me WWI, you just might sell a copy of Oleg's BoB too!

I'd rather not have Starforce on the CD though.