I can deal with the race switching in movies...if it's a good movie.
Casting a 5 foot 1" woman...who now wants everyone to believe she's a man...as the Greek warrior Sinon pushes the boundary of what I'm willing to believe.
I honestly don't care how small or large the role is...I can't bring myself to go along with normalization of mental illness.
Hard pass for me.
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I had to Google what you are talking about because I had no idea.
That's the girl that was in Inception. She was so cute too!
She is a guy now?
What is wrong with these people?
Are they just not content to be born?
It's better than being dead.
Just for reference...the Greek warrior is the one in the middle in this cast pic:
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If the movie makes what it is projected to make then NONE of this matters.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
If the movie makes what it is projected to make then NONE of this matters.
Casting choices aside...the first and last 3 hour movie I saw in theaters was Scarface and it had an intermission. This is 2 hours 52 minutes with no intermission...I wonder if projections took into account folks that think 3 hours is too long for a movie theater and would rather wait a couple months until they can stream it and watch at their own pace?
If this is a success it certainly opens the door for more masculine parts for Elliot Page...I'm thinking a remake of Ben Hur...they can call it "Been Her". (credit to random online comment)
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Oddball from Kelly's Heroes: "If we're late, it's cause we're dead"
I think this guy's pretty down to Earth, and he has a pretty positive review. He also discusses the casting, confirming that the more controversial characters aren't in it much, and says that Eliot Page's character being small kind of fits its purpose.
Ken Cartwright
No single drop of rain feels it is responsible for the flood.
I can deal with the race switching in movies...if it's a good movie.
Casting a 5 foot 1" woman...who now wants everyone to believe she's a man...as the Greek warrior Sinon pushes the boundary of what I'm willing to believe.
I honestly don't care how small or large the role is...I can't bring myself to go along with normalization of mental illness.
Hard pass for me.
+1
US federal spending per person per year, in constant 2025 dollars: 1925 - $153.00 2025 - $20,497.00
"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz (RIP)
"It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." Thomas Sowell
Good word of mouth will most certainly mean this movie will have a great opening weekend.
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“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
I’m not driving to Ft Lauderdale so I’ll just watch it in a standard theater.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
I don't care how awesome this movie is in every other respect, I'll never see it anymore than I would watch a Battle of Britain movie that was 100% accurate in every respect except for portraying Douglas Bader as a black man.
It's a matter of principle.
US federal spending per person per year, in constant 2025 dollars: 1925 - $153.00 2025 - $20,497.00
"In the vast library of socialist books, there’s not a single volume on how to create wealth, only how to take and “redistribute” it.” - David Horowitz (RIP)
"It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." Thomas Sowell
Box office projection for this week opening weekend is $200+ million domestic and foreign
If that projection turns out to be right then Christopher Nolan is a freak of nature; a genius beyond comprehension.
$200+ million will beat Nolan's
The Dark Knight (2008): $199 million worldwide
Oppenheimer (2023): $181.1 million worldwide
but it still won't beat
The Dark Knight Rises (2012): $248 million worldwide
Color me incorrect.
Current projection showing $51.2 million on Friday including Thursday previews, and that's just domestic (USA and Canada).
It's now predicted to make $120+ million domestic and $137.3 foreign for a total of $257+million, surpassing Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises $248 million opening.
Nolan says it will be 3 years before we will see his next movie.
He said he pushed his own limits and the limits of everyone involved in the making of The Odyssey and he is exhausted.
Oppenheimer was 3 years ago believe it or not.
Tenet was in 2020, Dunkirk was in 2017, and Interstellar in 2014
I did not care for Tenet, Dunkirk and Interstellar.
I copy/paste here because site is blocking me with the pay and join pop up and I had to F5 to infinity... and beyond!
The Odyssey Is Just Another Reason for Despair
The big-screen prestige spectacle is in danger. Now that the smartest, most interesting pictures tend to be smaller, independent projects—and the studios, to the extent they exist anymore, have begun pouring their resources into fodder for their streaming platforms—fewer people over 40 or 50 care to go out to the movies anymore, and you can’t blame them. What’s out there for them? A big-screen extravaganza like The Odyssey, made by a filmmaker, Christopher Nolan, who’s adamant about preserving the communal watching experience—and one who’s committed to shooting the old-fashioned way, on film—seems to be our only hope.
But instead of being an answer to our prayers, The Odyssey ends up being just another reason for despair. In the runup to its release, The Odyssey seems to have inspired more anxiety than actual anticipation. Lovers of classical literature have been asking, Will it hew close enough to Homer’s vision? Or, perhaps more accurately, Will it hew close enough to their vision of Homer’s vision? On the right, pundits have bemoaned what they see as the pure fact that you simply cannot have a Black Helen of Troy (she’s played in the film by Lupita Nyong’o), though it’s hard to fathom that the most controversial trait of a woman who’s been hatched from a swan’s egg should be the color of her skin. The Odyssey has already inspired so much chitter-chatter that its actual release was poised to be a letdown in comparison. But just wait till you actually see this eye-glazing dud of a movie.
Matt Damon, earnestly bewhiskered, stars as Odysseus, the King of Ithaca and a revered warrior, who’s working hard—or so it seems—to get home to his wife, Penelope (a reasonably dignified Anne Hathaway), and the grown son he has never gotten a chance to know, Telemachus (Tom Holland, so bland he’s practically unreadable). Odysseus has been gone for 20 years: The first 10 of those were eaten up by military exploits, chiefly the Trojan War—Nolan’s movie, like Homer’s tale, begins at the end of that war, with a giant wooden horse half-sunk in the sand, a pretty direct reference to the beached and forlorn Statue of Liberty at the end of Planet of the Apes. Throughout The Odyssey, we’ll get flashback glimpses of just how violent the sack of Troy, led by Odysseus, was. The suggestion is that he has done some Really Bad Stuff, though the battle scenes, while elaborate, are so tastefully un-bloody that it’s hard to feel there’s anything at stake.
It will take Odysseus 10 years to get home, and though he and a gang of surviving warriors set sail from Troy near the beginning of the movie, he will ultimately return without his men. (They’re played by an assortment of actors including Himesh Patel and Elliot Page, though most of them blur into a somewhat faceless mass of dudes in Marvin the Martian helmets.) The challenges they face on their journey are many: After a lone sheep leads them into a cave, they encounter a one-eyed giant, the Cyclops (Bill Irwin). Odysseus, in a supposed act of bravery, blinds the giant by stabbing his one good eye, and his men turn against him, grumbling that he has angered Poseidon, the god of the sea, the Cyclops’ father. And sure enough, the ocean tosses their tiny, rough-hewn wooden ships hither and thither. Other stuff happens on other islands: At one stop, the men anger the Sun God by eating his cattle, despite Odysseus' bossy warning not to do so. At another, the enchantress Circe gives the hungry men—though not Odysseus—a generous meal, but only as an excuse to turn them into swine. This is the finest scene in the movie, perhaps the only truly good one: as Circe, Samantha Morton seems to have dropped in from a different, better picture, uttering a chilly incantation as she massages the men’s dirty, meaty faces into visages with pig snouts. Later, she’ll tell Odysseus that all she was really doing was revealing the true nature of men. It’s hard to argue with her.
As this arduous journey continues, Damon’s Odysseus comes to look more and more like Nick Nolte’s mugshot, with added facial hair. He’s exhausted; he’s lonely for his wife—but not too lonely, seeing as Charlize Theron’s comely nymph Calypso will hold him hostage on her island for a total of seven years. (Theron is a luminous presence, but the movie kicks into snooze territory during these dreamy beach sequences—there are far too many of them scattered throughout.) Every once in a while, the goddess Athena (Zendaya) will appear at Odysseus’ side to judge his actions, mostly by offering a scowl of disapproval, the sort of face a wife makes when her husband loads the dishwasher wrong.
Meanwhile, back in Ithaca, Hathaway’s Penelope is weary for a different reason: though she’s holding out hope that her husband Odysseus is still alive, she must fend off 108 boorish suitors—they’re like Airbnb guests who refuse to leave. These men, each aspiring to become king, hope to bully her into marrying. Chief among them is the aggressively reptilian Antinous—Robert Pattinson plays him with a plastered-on leer. Hathaway’s costumes and jewelry are the saving grace of these scenes: at one point she wears a gown that falls around her in lustrous teal folds, a testament to the fact that Nolan does at least strive to hire the best craftspeople—not just anybody can dye fabric to look this luminous. (The costume designer here is Ellen Mirojnick.)
But unlike Odysseus, who survives being waylaid by giants, sorceresses, nymphs, and numerous other distractions, Nolan himself becomes dragged down by the details of his Odyssey. The poem, packed with events, with description, with magic and all manner of deceptions, is episodic by nature. How do you make this story flow and glide on-screen? Maybe you do it not by trying to pack everything in, but by cutting away, by focusing on the most potent, exciting, and moving details. You might do something along the lines of what Uberto Pasolini did with his underseen 2024 picture The Return, with Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Binoche, which takes the final stretch of The Odyssey and weaves it into a graceful, moving whole. It doesn’t help that Nolan’s Odyssey—even when viewed, as he hopes audiences will see it, in IMAX—looks muddy and underwhelming. The Return was shot in Greece and Italy, and its landscapes are part of its vitality; cinematographer Marius Panduru made Ithaca look like a place worth coming home to. In Nolan’s Odyssey, shot by his frequent collaborator Hoyte van Hoytema in a host of locations including Italy, Greece, Morocco, Iceland, and Scotland, almost every landscape—a churning sea here, a set of cliffs there—just looks like business as usual, only bigger. There’s soil, but you don’t feel its texture; there’s sun, but you don’t feel its warmth. When Damon’s Odysseus is greeted by his ancient, dying dog Argos, who has waited patiently and poignantly for his return, Argos’s little tail wriggles mechanically as he takes his last breath. Odysseus expresses a flash of grief, and then it’s on to the next beat. There isn’t a minute to lose here, even in a runtime of nearly three hours.
There are other problems, among them Nolan’s failure to make use of Nyong’o's gifts. The issue isn't that her casting plays into any of the advance criticism the movie has received; it's that it barely feels like a choice at all, representing not a burst of imagination but a failure of nerve. Nyong’o plays two roles here, that of Helen and of Clytemnestra, Helen’s twin sister. But there’s so much decorously, Homerically faithful story swirling around these two figures, glimpsed mostly in passing—and so many men around them, doing seriously manly stuff—that neither role registers. Through no fault of Nyong’o’s—who’s both accomplished and, though it should go without saying, uncommonly beautiful—these are almost blink-and-you-miss-them portrayals, the kind of thing a director can magnanimously hand out like candy. We’re supposed to applaud Nolan for bravery in casting, but the result comes off as tokenism, surely the opposite of what he intended.
But then, there’s little in The Odyssey that breathes. It churns so dutifully toward its predictable conclusions—summed up roughly as “War dehumanizes men!” and “Civilization, now as in Odysseus’ time, is on the brink!”—that you begin to wonder if it wouldn’t be a better use of your time to just stay home and read The Odyssey. We want and need more movie artistry—and more dedication to the craft, which Nolan, no matter what you think of him, surely espouses. But a movie still needs to add up to something you actually want to watch, not just a testament to a filmmaker’s solemn dedication to the hallowed tradition of filmmaking. We’ve reached a point where we get so few extravagant, ambitious studio movies that we’re expected to collapse with gratitude whenever we're presented with one. That’s not opening ourselves to what movies can be; it’s succumbing to a kind of hostage taking. No matter how endangered the movies become, we still get to choose what moves and delights us. Why settle for less? It’s our job to make demands. Otherwise, we’re nothing more than spoils of war.
Box office projection for this week opening weekend is $200+ million domestic and foreign
If that projection turns out to be right then Christopher Nolan is a freak of nature; a genius beyond comprehension.
Looks it he is a freak of nature.
This means the film has earned back its reported $250 million production budget without breaking a sweat!
'The Odyssey' makes history at global box office for Christopher Nolan
Christopher Nolan’s adaptation of "The Odyssey" has secured a massive international debut, collecting$264m in global ticket sales during its opening weekend - representing the director's biggest international opening ever.
The Odyssey has smashed expectations at the box office with a global debut that has set new opening weekend records for Christopher Nolan. Early projections had the film grossing approximately $200 million at the worldwide box office following strong advanced ticket sales and sold-out IMAX showings.
After a terrific weekend at the box office, The Odyssey has surpassed predictions by taking $264m in its opening weekend, according to studio Universal Pictures. In North America alone, the film made $124.5m, giving it the third-largest opening of 2026 after Toy Story 5 ($159m) and The Super Mario Galaxy Movie ($131m).
This is an impressive achievement in the US, as The Odyssey is not only an adaptation of a 2,700-year-old Greek epic but also has a dreaded R-rating, which substantially limits audiences.
The Odyssey stands as Nolan’s best ever international opening, topping 2012's The Dark Knight Rises, which opened globally with $249m. It has also scored an even bigger debut than his 2023 Oscar-winning film Oppenheimer ($180m), which ended its global box office run with $975m.
Nolan’s adaptation of the 2,700-year-old poem reportedly cost a whopping $250m, with the film-maker saying he was only afforded the chance to make it after Oppenheimer’s financial and critical success.
It is the first feature movie to be filmed entirely with IMAX cameras.
Time will tell whether Nolan's latest can reach the $1bn mark, but considering its main competition only arrives on 31 July with the opening of Spider-Man: Brand New Day, the next two weeks should further its global box office domination.
This means the film has earned back its reported $250 million production budget without breaking a sweat!
Sort of. Forbes puts the minimum "break even" point at $625 million after marketing and 30% theater cut:
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Reported budget: $250 million Reported marketing costs: $125 million So that is a $375 million total before the theater cut, which puts break even from $625 million to $750 million, depending on which estimate metric is used. That would be a struggle for almost all R-rated features. But for Nolan? And if the movie really is as good as claimed? It may be a much easier task.
It's certainly possible that it will hit that number...could be a bit tougher since it's basically 3 hours and folks going to see it multiple times in a theater might be limiting.
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