homepage Forums Air Combat & Civil Aviation DCS World 2..5 Release Date ANNOUNCED!!

I get your point Paradaz, really I do. All I can say is that I reconciled with what ED is doing with their platform. It's really complicated piece of software and many had failed at building their business around it. ED is doing rather well I suppose so I'm just glad I'm able to use it and it didn't turned into another vaporware project.

Lol!! So if something gets new features and fixes, then it's in perpetual beta, huh? So I guess Windows 10 was never "released" as we then had the Anniversary Update, Creators Update, and Fall Creators Update... all this time we were using Windows 10 Beta. Such wow! Many logic! Amazement!!

I guess you do have to start thinking this way if you want to try defending ED



Somebody's gotta do it!!



Please explain how years of delay does not equal "lousy job".... I'll wait.


Obviously, you have no clue about what you speak of..... I've mentioned multiple times that I'd love ED to prove me wrong, and for a good time now, the ball has been squarely in ED's court. Spread negativity? Or just give you a dose of reality? Maybe try to discern the difference.


Please show me another game company that has repeatedly delivered years late and is still in business..... I'll wait.

If you're content to dine on what scraps fall off of ED's table, that's on you. Some of us want more for our money.




Hmmm.... I wonder if there's no other location you can go to where there is no negativity.... any idea guys? No? Damn.


Tell you what..... get them to release something on time THEN see if we bash them. And no, 2.5 "release" no longer counts as we've already called this and ED has proven us correct.


Or they just have legions of blind, brainwashed masses who are happy to pay 100% for 40% of a product and then wait years for the remaining 60%. Just because they're afloat doesn't mean they're doing something right. Just because other dev studios perished doesn't mean they did something wrong (ie, the market interest just went elsewhere).


What you're missing is that Wags promised a release by the end of January. What we're getting is Open Beta. If you can't figure out the difference between RELEASE and OPEN BETA at this stage, I don't think any explanation will fix that. If you insist that constant development = open beta, please cite a couple of software that had no development after release? Please cite a couple of software that remained open beta for years because their developers were constantly developing the software and thus did not "release" it? Again, such wow! Many logic! Amazement!!

Now they're stating Release will follow 1-2 weeks after Open Beta.... let's see if they'll actually make that window. I'm not holding my breath on that one.



If you've made your peace with ED, then understand that there are those of us that haven't and still hold ED's feet to the fire. Funny how you can understand ED but then cannot understand the negativity that is the result of ED.

What an odd forum

Yes Ice there are actually forums that have been able to keep a positive spin on this announcement. GASP! lol

But of course these must be the brainwashed simple minded folk

And you obviously missed the sarcasm.

Please do be so kind as to show us how being promised a RELEASE and then being given an OPEN BETA can be given a positive spin!!

I would point out that they said that they would release, as in make available to the public, v2.5. Nobody ever said that the 'release' version would be available on a given date. If you thought otherwise then you have not followed the release of any module in the past 8 years.

By the way, with regard to the 'unpaid beta testers' comments. The beta testers for pretty much every game are unpaid. Ask anyone that is/has taken part in a beta testing program. They volunteer/apply for the opportunity and the only compensation is the early access to the game content.

Large studios do have a paid testing staff but what they test is pre-release alpha content that is most certainly not ready for public consumption. I am basing this, not on speculation, but on conversations with the head of a AAA gaming studio.

Technically you are correct.
"Given this, we will be releasing DCS World 2.5 by late-January 2018. This is not an estimate, this is a promise."
No given date just late-January.
" they said that they would release, as in make available to the public, v2.5." and you know this because? Because you're privy to the goings on in Wagners mind?
Please explain this then
"In order to avoid confusion and any update issues, DCS World 2.5 will be released as a new download. The current Open Beta will be updated to DCS World 2.5, the Open Alpha will be removed, and DCS World 1.5 will remain but be unsupported."

"Dear all,

Work is going well with the updated Caucasus map and the summer map is ready to go! However, there is still work to do on the Spring, Autumn, and Winter maps. Much of this revolves around integration of the new SpeedTree tech. This is a rather time consuming process and not a case of just dropping in new tech.

Additionally, a lot of work continues on updating the hundreds of missions and campaigns that need to be adjusted for the map changes. This primarily entails moving units and their routes out of the many new forested areas on the map.

Finally, we have the holiday season fast approaching and we need to give our staff time with the loved ones.

Given this, we will be releasing DCS World 2.5 by late-January 2018. This is not an estimate, this is a promise.

In order to avoid confusion and any update issues, DCS World 2.5 will be released as a new download. The current Open Beta will be updated to DCS World 2.5, the Open Alpha will be removed, and DCS World 1.5 will remain but be unsupported.

Movement of DCS World 2.5 would then soon follow to Steam.

Thanks,
Matt “Wags” Wagner
Eagle Dynamic SA, Senior Producer"

You may feel the need to defend ED and Wagner for whatever reason but I'm sorry your post is nothing short of spin and BS

No it is not. It is just pointing out the facts. As you said in your first sentence.

'Technically you are correct'

Every ED release has always started as a beta release. To have expected this one to be otherwise is just ignoring the history of the product/company.

You read what you want into my reply. Technically you were correct that Nobody ever said that the 'release' version would be available on a given date. because there was no given date just late January.
Everything else in your post was spin and BS

Ok, I will rephrase. Nobody ever said that the release version would be available in late January. They said that v2.5 would be released in late January. Nobody specified anything about the state of the release (whether beta or release candidate or anything else) and if you expected it to be anything other than the open beta then you were fooling yourself.



What part of that doesn't imply that v2.5 will be an open beta? You obviously don't comprehend how the Release and Open Beta are development branches and not 'versions'. I am certainly not the biggest fan of ED, and, by far, not a spin doctor for them. However, in this instance, you are trying to make their normal release pattern seem like a head fake when it is, actually, just business as usual.

This part
DCS World 2.5 will be released as a new download.

So what? That just means that they built a scratch installer. It doesn't speak to the purported state of the code in any way. Sometimes a game update is so different from the previous version that applying a patch is impractical, which is what is likely the case here.

Have you ever used MakeMKV? Every single update requires removal of the old version prior to the installation of the new one, even though it is still a 'beta' product. This is actually the simplest way to update a software package.

I give up. That doesn't change the fact that ED and wags are full of sh1t. It just means I'm not going to argue the fact with you.

I never denied that. It wasn't what we were discussing.

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realize. I actually was discussing that. I have no idea what you were discussing then. My apologies.

Wow, in which post, prior to your last, did you mention ED/Wags being FoS? I am sorry that you lost track of the discussion so quickly, I will speak slower next time. As a reminder, we were discussing the specifics of the v2.5 release announcement.

So Cichlidfan....when you think the 'release' version of DCS World 2.5 will become available?

I will estimate......NEVER. Because like others have said it will always be in a state of perpetual beta. What's strange is that ED for the first time are actually calling this the 'release version' which indicates some polish but it's quite clear that this is merely following their normal procedure and of course 'everything is subject to change' and there will undoubtedly be a lack of polish. Don't believe me that they are calling it the 'release version'?...then click here, it's a link to their newsletter.

On a more serious note, my biggest concern with this whole 2.5 mess is the way ED has recently stated that "The 2.5.0 “Release” version will launch a week or two later, depending on how the Open Beta release goes"......so ED really think that their software can go from Open Beta to 'Release' in two weeks?.....either that, or right there is the disclaimer for the release version to be delayed even further due to the amount of problems and bugs that are found with the modules and campaigns that have been integrated with the 2.5 core game. The mere fact that the software is getting tested for the first time by the community suggests that the 'release' version as they are calling it is not a release at all, merely an update that will be available to their customers at whatever state it's in at that point in time. If that is the case, then why are they calling it the release version now and never have done before?

In summary..... ED continue to talk crap, don't learn from any of their previous mistakes but it looks like they are trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes. What is more weird is that the ED defence force like to move the goalposts and try to align their expectations with what is a version and what isn't even though they go against the very language that ED are speaking themselves.

I have no clue. Personally, I hope that they will have all four seasons looking decent by the end of this year. Currently the fall season shows deciduous trees where the winter season shows only evergreens (how does that happen?).



I have already mentioned, previously, that (historically) I thought that the move from OB to release was not indicative of anything since there are no notable changes between the two and that the time frame is insufficient for a meaningful amount of code to be corrected.

When we start having to do word play tactics to distinguish between a RELEASE and an OPEN BETA being made available, we know that the ball has been dropped yet again.


There is no mention of Beta, Open Beta, or Early Access in that statement. Having to clarify the phrase "releasing DCS World 2.5" as whether it is RELEASE or OPEN BETA is like asking Wags whether anything he says is an ESTIMATE or a PROMISE. This just isn't done in normal conversation.... and having to do it here just shows how ED is now (and in the past) resorting to word play in order to try and look less foolish when already caught out.

Go back and read all my posts in this thread. You may believe the discussion started when you showed up. You may believe "ED/wags didn't promise the release in January" "they promised the open beta in January" You can believe the conversation is whatever you want it to be. You can go a slow as you'd like feel free, take as long as you like.
I was, and have always been, discussing EDs/wags volume of sh1t. no matter what you wish to believe. I don't care what you believe. I don't care that you've resorted to insults because folk don't believe your paper thin argument.

Typically open beta comes right before release and is the final round of testing. It isn't exactly uncommon. It actually is quickly becoming standard procedure for AAA multiplayer games. It is also very common for other sandbox style games. Even ArmA 3 was released in ahlpa for almost a year before it got to a released state, and another 6 months (or more) for the campaign. The exception to this rule are story based SP campaign games. So it certainly isn't uncommon. I imagine the beta version is close to what ED would be releasing in the "Release Branch".

I think I will wait until the "release" version is ready. I don't have much interest is playing around with more installs. I have the current "release" version and "Open Alpha". If I could update one of those I'd try it but it sounds like I need the open beta?