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Right, I'm pretty sure that according to the western designation, none of those are less than MERAD 
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Hi, Hpasp.. I have a question about The Hungary practice.... Is it possible to add 3D AAR for the training mode missiles? I think it could be nice addition, because it is like an mission editor and therefore we could do some tricky stuff there.  How about that?
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Hpasp, what ever happened to the simulation of the ZSU-23-4 Shilka? Was your access to documentation denied?
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Also, Vintorez, thanks a lot for your manual on the SA-2. Just to be clear on the tracking modes in real life, RS is manual tracking by the FCO, AS is manual tracking by the manual trackers, and AS-AP is autotracking, all modes can track with or without a real target on the scope to track, for instance, if I shut down my radar in AS-AP after initiating a lock, then the system would continue to track based off of the computer?
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Hpasp, what ever happened to the simulation of the ZSU-23-4 Shilka? Was your access to documentation denied? ZSU-23-4 is something that does not require extensive infrastructure support, in contrast of what we have now -- Given the amount of soviet equipments available around some hot spots, it would not be impossible for a band of terrorists to get their hand on one, hide it near the runway threshold of some airport, and do something high-profile...Or at least we'd get pounced all over by media, lawyers and intelligence agencies before this, should there be a ZSU-23-4 sim accurate to the switch. So, as Hpasp said, SAM Simulator will not be a terrorist trainer.
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Really? Is that the real reason? C'mon, SAMsim is a procedure trainer, nobody can expect to control a ZSU only with that.
It would be a interesting addition, rather than Nike-Hercules.
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i agree with u Really? Is that the real reason? C'mon, SAMsim is a procedure trainer, nobody can expect to control a ZSU only with that.
It would be a interesting addition, rather than Nike-Hercules.
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I have now tried to acquire F-14 in Prairie Fire as close to SAM as possible. I was in a distance acquiring process in 55kHz mode when the formation of two F-14 turned away. Target mark at first began to switch up and down when very close targets in formation turned and finally they flew away on the screen to the left lower part.
Simulation looks good, Hpasp did a good work :-)
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aaaaah ! one old post rise up again  guys no terrorrist team used shilka ! because using ilga and stinger is very very easeiest than shilka ! that terrorrist must bee idiot ! if they want use shilka for hit aircraft  that who person said terrorist used shilka for hit civil aircraft !!! please note it in the one post ! if this realy happend done !
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Nuked 'em :-) in Prairie Fire.... 13:46 24th of March, 1986.
Operation Prairie Fire
S-200VE Vega-E
00:04:36, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 85km
Target azimuth: 12�
Target elevation: 2�
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 39dB
00:04:43, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 84km
Target azimuth: 12�
Target elevation: 2�
Target angular speed: 277m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 39,2dB
00:04:55, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 80km
Target azimuth: 12�
Target elevation: 2�
Target angular speed: 221m/s (0,7 Mach)
Target altitude: 3,8km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 39,5dB
00:05:44, Missile exploded
F-14B Tomcat killed by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 429m)
F-14B Tomcat killed by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 2m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 8sec
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Also, Vintorez, thanks a lot for your manual on the SA-2. Just to be clear on the tracking modes in real life, RS is manual tracking by the FCO, AS is manual tracking by the manual trackers, and AS-AP is autotracking, all modes can track with or without a real target on the scope to track, for instance, if I shut down my radar in AS-AP after initiating a lock, then the system would continue to track based off of the computer? No, RS is manual tracking by 3 operators (azimuth, elevation and range), their screens are like FCO's, but only in 5 km mode. AS is autotracking by the system... On SA-3 - the same, but range tracker is the FCO itself, and 2 operators on F1/2. Check here: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3574980/281.html
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I don't know if the movie's good, but you can watch some advanced maintenance techniques at 0:39:30
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aaaaah ! one old post rise up again guys no terrorrist team used shilka ! because using ilga and stinger is very very easeiest than shilka ! that terrorrist must bee idiot ! if they want use shilka for hit aircraft that who person said terrorist used shilka for hit civil aircraft !!! please note it in the one post ! if this realy happend done ! I have to agree with this, just imagine how "discreet" the ZSU is and especially when parked in the vicinity of the airport  Handheld missiles are perfect for such a case, somebody can get near the airport, shoot and in the following chaos can get away without any notice.
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I don't know if the movie's good, but you can watch some advanced maintenance techniques at 0:39:30 I think so, but where's the movie? 
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ofcourse ! In my personal opinion ... I think terrorists team stiil at dangerous situation from nato and usa side.
they must be idiot for using shilka ...shilka is a easy hunt for nato and usa UAV predator But on the other side!! maybe HPasp have a good raason for cancel shilka for sam sim
also we need more axplain about mr.hpasp's reason! good source about attacking shilka to civil aircraft !!!date? year? location? type of hit? and more ![/quote] I have to agree with this, just imagine how "discreet" the ZSU is and especially when parked in the vicinity of the airport Handheld missiles are perfect for such a case, somebody can get near the airport, shoot and in the following chaos can get away without any notice.
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As far as I'm concerned, there are so many other developmental directions that if he doesn't want to make the ZSU, it is fine with me. I'll actually prefer if he makes the SA-8 or something.
Come on, that last SA-6 in Hungary. Is it dead yet?
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That's indeed not exactly feasible. But given the sensitivity of the issue...(Strangely, some more serious FPS's like ARMA II are already capable of doing, as far as I can tell, a kind-of-accurate simulation of various MPSAMs, including those which have been used on terrorist attacks. Imagine the public reaction if some big ones decide to feature about that! -- If they cares.)
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I'm dying of laughter.... excuse me dude... but i guess when mr.hpasp canceled shilka project i will guarantee he never develope sa-8 !!! this system is very very very dangerous than shilka !! because this system is very good portable sam machine ! very small for hiding !  but i pray evry day for deactivate soon sa-6 until mr.hp can access to them  As far as I'm concerned, there are so many other developmental directions that if he doesn't want to make the ZSU, it is fine with me. I'll actually prefer if he makes the SA-8 or something.
Come on, that last SA-6 in Hungary. Is it dead yet?
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There must be some other reason, Hpasp. By the way piston, thanks for the reply . First off, most governments ( as fas as I am aware ) have no knowledge of SAMSIM. Also, you say a massive infastructure is not needed, but think, you need ammo, detailed manuals for things like maintenace, boresighting procdures, as well as gas, which can actually be tough to get.
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Please name a situation Hpasp, why you deny us the Shilka, most aricraft fly higher than shilka's maximum shooting altitude except when they are landing. Also arkhangelask, remember that the SA-6 is continually receiving upgrades and will be in the Air Defence forces for a long time, only expansion opportunities are really in American SAMS, specifically the MIM-114. My guess is also that the SA-8 is secret as well.
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