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guys... loock at this vietnam line brack II ! loock at number of missile launche! date one 65 missile launch but only 3 b52 it shot down!  idont know why lauched a lot of missile like that chart ! i think vietnamian sam crew is very nerves  They hit alltogether 7 B-52's on the 18th. (20% hit rate per engagement) (this table is missing the Minor damage line) Shot down - 3Boeing B-52G 58-201 Charcoal-01 Shot down by 261/59 Boeing B-52G 58-246 Peach-02 Hit by SAM and crashed in Thailand. Boeing B-52D 56-0608 Rose-01 Shot down by 257/77 Serious damage - 2Boeing B-52D 56-0678 Lilac 03 Landed at U-Tapao. No inspar damage. ETIC 7-30-73. Est. 60,000 manhours. 350 external holes; 24 areas require kits. Boeing B-52D 56-0592 Landed at NamPhong, Thailand; one time flight to U-Tapao 12-23-72. ETIC 3-15-73. External holes estimated 2,000 manhours. Minor damage - 2Boeing B-52G 58-0254 Landed at Andersen AFB, Guam. Sheet metal damage top of fuselage 30 to 50 holes. Minus three repairs. Boeing B-52D 56-0583 Landed at U-Tapao. Returned to service 12-20-72 minus three repairs 53 manhours. 10 external holes plus several dents and gouges.
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totaly shot at line brack like chrat! 266 missiles sa-2 just could hit around 14 hit !!!
where is a real problem??? vietnam sam crew is not professional or sa-2 is a freak missile!!
i cant beliive it !!! 266 missile only 14 hit !!!
for get avverage launched per target 266 / 14 = 19
what is this #%&*$# ???? for one target launched around 19 missile ???
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Damn! Average 9 batteries against the SAC... Hell of a fight!  To shoot down a heavy bomber (in my opinion) it is neccesary to kill all engines from one side or kill the crew, or damage the fuel tanks. That's why recomendations are to use 3 missiles salvo, which they didn't do everytime. Also the old SA-2 missiles warhead radiofuse "Shmel" is not so effective as 5E11 and 5X49 on V-755 and 759 missiles. Anyway, NVA crews are good, they allmost took SR-71, which Quadafy PVO didn't (even with better version of SA-2). So they did their best.
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totaly shot at line brack like chrat! 266 missiles sa-2 just could hit around 14 hit !!!
where is a real problem??? vietnam sam crew is not professional or sa-2 is a freak missile!!
i cant beliive it !!! 266 missile only 14 hit !!!
for get avverage launched per target 266 / 14 = 19
what is this #%&*$# ???? for one target launched around 19 missile ??? Today (40 years later), Iranian Air Defense are waiting the USAF and IAF with the same export version of the SA-2, the SA-75MK Dvina (SA-2F) as was used in Vietnam during Linebacker-II... 
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totaly shot at line brack like chrat! 266 missiles sa-2 just could hit around 14 hit !!!
where is a real problem??? vietnam sam crew is not professional or sa-2 is a freak missile!!
i cant beliive it !!! 266 missile only 14 hit !!!
for get avverage launched per target 266 / 14 = 19
what is this #%&*$# ???? for one target launched around 19 missile ??? Today (40 years later), Iranian Air Defense are waiting the USAF and IAF with the same export version of the SA-2, the SA-75MK Dvina (SA-2F) as was used in Vietnam during Linebacker-II... yes mr.hp ur right It is all because of sanctions! this is last chance for air defense to buy sa-75 dvina!!! but never forget this!!! we have a a lot of tor-m1 and rapear also hawk system Been modernized  
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It is all because of sanctions! this is last chance for air defense to buy sa-75 dvina!!! Didn't they have some "home-made" modernization too???
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It is all because of sanctions! this is last chance for air defense to buy sa-75 dvina!!! Didn't they have some "home-made" modernization too??? aaaa... i cant very exactly acccess to them.. but last news about air defense.. i know evry sam defense at iran Been modernized at aerocenter organization of iran! s-75 dvina $ hawk systems & s-200 with digital panel as i know & tor-m1 upgrade engage distande 12km to 20 km ! also reaper!!! i think repaer no need to upgrade!!! this is not realy hard to use ! also modern shilka... i quess name of them tungushka? some like it 
i founded some video u can see at aparat.com! this website loook like youtube! of course persian youtube about = speaking genral vahidi leader of all of air defence about hawk systems modernized + film shot missilehttp://www.aparat.com/v/f18c83d4df979ea9f9363d95ee75714837657
about= speaking press TV about air defense iran with engilish language ... at this video show one close up from sa-6 modernized
http://www.aparat.com/v/1f18933ca1e531c1eac9cccc4952a03b40167
about= speaking one genral commander about tor-m1 and eupgrade angage distance 12 to 20 km + shot film missile
http://www.aparat.com/v/bf0bfa62d86ae7dea657f78ff863461e162097
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In normal words, if you successfully deny all information of your distance from a Patriot/S-300P SAM, it simply triangulate you (Fire Control Radar - SAM Missile TVM head - Jamming Target).
As jamming is not affecting the lead point calculation at all, Patriot/S-300P systems has no TT guidance methods implemented, they fly UPR or lofted UPR depending on target range. I don't think that's correct, nor do I think that an SPJ will just deny range. These jammers are usually track-breakers, meaning they will deny range and angles simultaneously. That may not be very effective against S-300 (Since it is PESA, it probably is not as sensitive to side-lobe jamming as some other radars), but there are always other techniques ... some of which we know (range-gate pull-off, jitter) and probably a bunch we do not. I still think that sending in F-117A above Belgrade alone, without any support (CAP/ECM/Weasel) was over optimistic, or suicidal.
I think it is more like accident. This is not the first time that something like this has happened. F-15E's have been shot down by SA-2's because EW support was removed - the aircraft for some reason, mechanical failure or being chased off by a fighter or other issue - was not on station.
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hi Hpasp
Is it possible to make SAM working on the network? I mean one player searching target and second player after first one acquired target launch the missle.
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I think it is more like accident. This is not the first time that something like this has happened. F-15E's have been shot down by SA-2's because EW support was removed - the aircraft for some reason, mechanical failure or being chased off by a fighter or other issue - was not on station.
There Iraqies take their high ranked prissoner - Col. David W. Eberly. If I remember it right, some MiG-25 chased the EW aircrafts (EF-111's) and the strike force comes "naked". Mission was a failure, and think another "Eagle" was shot down too.
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In the next SAMSIM version, you will have the opportunity to face the SR-71 with the S-75M Volhov (SA-2E), above Tripoli, and try your sharpened - advanced skills, for a hit, that never happened in real life.  
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What is our weapon - SA-2E or F?  Now seriouse... Is SR-71 ever crossed the killzone of the SA-5? You mentioned that they didn't, right?
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What is our weapon - SA-2E or F? Now seriouse... Is SR-71 ever crossed the killzone of the SA-5? You mentioned that they didn't, right? You weapon is what "your" leader bought... ... I try to simulate this situation as realistically, as possible, using several sources from both side. 
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I don't think that's correct, nor do I think that an SPJ will just deny range. These jammers are usually track-breakers, meaning they will deny range and angles simultaneously. That may not be very effective against S-300 (Since it is PESA, it probably is not as sensitive to side-lobe jamming as some other radars), but there are always other techniques ... some of which we know (range-gate pull-off, jitter) and probably a bunch we do not.
I highly doubt that 10000-element X-band phased array will be suseptible to sidelobe jamming at all. By the way, does anyone knows what is the output power of 30N6's transmitter? Looks like this data is still classified, I was unable to find it. Only for S-300V's 9S32 radar data is available, but from highly unreliable source. It states an average power of only 13 kilowatts and peak - of just 150. With that, it won't be able to track stealthy targets at distances beyond 25-30 km at best, so I highly doubt it.
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You weapon is what "your" leader bought...
... I try to simulate this situation as realistically, as possible, using several sources from both side.
Wow, they bought a lot of hardware... 39 Volhovs, 44 Pechoras, 8 S-200, 27 P-14 and Oborona-14 radars, 3 ASURK-1ME, two Senezh-E and 3 Nizina-U IADS. So they did had an IADS. Those tiny pencil markings state that Nizina-U were supplied from 1988, while Senezh-E was supplied in 1985-86. I suppose they were not ready for operation during 1986 events, cause they could seriously change the results, especially during air raid on Benghazi. Any info about it?
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I don't think that's correct, nor do I think that an SPJ will just deny range. These jammers are usually track-breakers, meaning they will deny range and angles simultaneously. That may not be very effective against S-300 (Since it is PESA, it probably is not as sensitive to side-lobe jamming as some other radars), but there are always other techniques ... some of which we know (range-gate pull-off, jitter) and probably a bunch we do not.
I highly doubt that 10000-element X-band phased array will be suseptible to sidelobe jamming at all. By the way, does anyone knows what is the output power of 30N6's transmitter? Looks like this data is still classified, I was unable to find it. Only for S-300V's 9S32 radar data is available, but from highly unreliable source. It states an average power of only 13 kilowatts and peak - of just 150. With that, it won't be able to track stealthy targets at distances beyond 25-30 km at best, so I highly doubt it. Peak power is just one part of the equation... ... emitted beam width is the other important factor. I just found this article about it... http://www.eisc.com.cn/webdata/Data.asp?nRecno=49462&Recno=296698... it mentions 75kW. I also found 100kW for the Patriot's MPQ-53, so it is in the same ballpark. http://www.mobileradar.org/radar_descptn_2.html
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You weapon is what "your" leader bought...
... I try to simulate this situation as realistically, as possible, using several sources from both side.
Wow, they bought a lot of hardware... 39 Volhovs, 44 Pechoras, 8 S-200, 27 P-14 and Oborona-14 radars, 3 ASURK-1ME, two Senezh-E and 3 Nizina-U IADS. So they did had an IADS. Those tiny pencil markings state that Nizina-U were supplied from 1988, while Senezh-E was supplied in 1985-86. I suppose they were not ready for operation during 1986 events, cause they could seriously change the results, especially during air raid on Benghazi. Any info about it? The IADS for Benghazi and Surt were under fielding, while the IADS of Tripoli was already fielded.
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DTIG credits the early Flap-Lid with 130kW (probably peak), but while its frequency band info looks OK, the frequencies it mentions are not consistent with either the identified band or with what is typically used in that type of radar, so...
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Hpasp, thanks for your answers! This information is really hard to find!
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Peak power is just one part of the equation...
... emitted beam width is the other important factor.
And also do not forget another two as the same important factors - receiver sensitivity and its noise figure
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