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Hpasp #3504013 01/26/12 05:37 PM
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Clearly, I realized Hpasp!

The question then what about the interception of SCUD!

SCUD!

Its rate of more than 1200 m/sec!

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Just Great Pictures from Operation El Dorado!

Thank Hpasp!

As I understand you are doing this operation now under construction!

Great again!

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Originally Posted By: wasfa
thank's piston79 for answers, but can you use simple and deep explanation please,
unfortunately I can't understand all your dialects and your abbreviations,
(Peremena chastoti) = ???
I think adding some simplicity and deep explanation of abbreviations in posts make them more helpful !

This is from developer HPASP

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We are getting deep into the advanced SDC operation...


... so here we are, with lots of ground clutter.
We are in 75Km mode, and some clutters are from over this range.


If we switch on our lovely SDC, we find out, that it could filter clutter till 75km, but...
... all clutter, that is beyond 75km is still messing up our scopes.




If we now turn off the variable frequency, than we can filter all clutter, from the screen (over 75km also).



Hope that's enough for you.

P.S. Hm, I am late... smile

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Hpasp #3504107 01/26/12 07:35 PM
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In the picture shows a C-200 training!

Interception of SCUDE!

Speed Max 5, Orbit Apogee 86 km!

S-200 maximum target speed of 1200 m/sec Max 4!

The question of how S-200 can then intercept?



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In the picture shows a C-200 training!
Interception of SCUDE!
Speed Max 5, Orbit Apogee 86 km!
S-200 maximum target speed of 1200 m/sec Max 4!
The question of how S-200 can then intercept?


Just read...

http://narod.ru/disk/27680538001/%D1%81200%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%208%D0%BA14.djvu.html
http://narod.ru/disk/27680555001/%D1%81200%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%208%D0%BA14-1.djvu.html
http://narod.ru/disk/3594791001/%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%208%D0%BA11.djvu.html
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Hpasp #3504167 01/26/12 08:48 PM
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Welcome to our forum, Peter. Glad to see you here!

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Thanks a lot for documentation!

Very interesting and detailed exactly what I need!

Super! Hpasp!

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Hpasp #3504215 01/26/12 09:57 PM
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Is that normal? Some specialist of Vega, could have a look, please? (I meant this HOJ mode)

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Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
8K14 R-300 (SCUD-B) Tactical Ballistic Missile

S-200VE Vega-E


00:10, Practice target 8K14 R-300 (SCUD-B) Tactical Ballistic Missile launched

39:55, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 249km
Target azimuth: 75�
Target elevation: 11�
Target angular speed: 908m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 53,3km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 30,5dB


41:52, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 154km
Target azimuth: 75�
Target elevation: 32�
Target angular speed: 1041m/s (3,7 Mach)
Target altitude: 84,9km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Home on Jam
Received signal strength: 36dB


43:09, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 73km
Target azimuth: 77�
Target elevation: 40�
Target angular speed: 1405m/s (5 Mach)
Target altitude: 48,1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Home on Jam
Received signal strength: 40,7dB


43:44, Missile exploded
Practice target 8K14 R-300 (SCUD-B) Tactical Ballistic Missile killed by SAM. (miss distance: 28m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 5min 49sec

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Originally Posted By: piston79

Hope that's enough for you.

P.S. Hm, I am late... smile


Oh yeah dear piston79, answers like this is really enough,
in this case, practice must follow to understand the real mean .....
what i haven't do because i'm not arrived yet at this stage of studding of volhov,
may be i was waiting just simple name-Label (English name) of requested light or knob

thank's much for answering (also thank's for Hpasp)

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to max2012

which graphical software you are using to acquire pictures and make magnifying and arrows ?
(I hope it's not Russian interface !)

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Originally Posted By: piston79
(I meant this HOJ mode)


don't expect me to answer you, I'm so far from this system, I never switch it ON yet,
but want to ask about meaning of HOJ !!

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There is no Russian interface.

Support for many languages

Ashampoo Snap

It may be here and so do!

Picture here!

Ashampoo Snap Software



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piston79 #3504250 01/26/12 10:41 PM
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I knew it!

1. Shot speed missiles 1041 m/s (3,7 Mach).

2. 1405 m/s (5 Mach).

The maximum speed of the target in S-200 Vega is 1200 m/s.

Here 1405 m/s.

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Originally Posted By: piston79
Is that normal? Some specialist of Vega, could have a look, please? (I meant this HOJ mode)

Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
8K14 R-300 (SCUD-B) Tactical Ballistic Missile

S-200VE Vega-E


00:10, Practice target 8K14 R-300 (SCUD-B) Tactical Ballistic Missile launched

39:55, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 249km
Target azimuth: 75�
Target elevation: 11�
Target angular speed: 908m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 53,3km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 30,5dB


41:52, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 154km
Target azimuth: 75�
Target elevation: 32�
Target angular speed: 1041m/s (3,7 Mach)
Target altitude: 84,9km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Home on Jam
Received signal strength: 36dB


43:09, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 73km
Target azimuth: 77�
Target elevation: 40�
Target angular speed: 1405m/s (5 Mach)
Target altitude: 48,1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Home on Jam
Received signal strength: 40,7dB


43:44, Missile exploded
Practice target 8K14 R-300 (SCUD-B) Tactical Ballistic Missile killed by SAM. (miss distance: 28m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 5min 49sec


Home On Jam (is the English term), Russian is the "Do Starta, Poisk V Vikl" (Acquire target before start, do not track target in speed).
When you switch the GSN into this mode, it only tracks the target in two coordinates (Epsilon, Beta), instead of the usual three (Epsilon, Beta, Speed), as Jamming denies the GSN to receive the RPC signal reflected from the target.
(similarly when you cannot measure a jamming target range with a pulse system (SA-2/3/4), here you cannot measure its Doppler speed (SA-5))

The continuous wave semi-active guidance has several advantages, keeping the same accuracy at any distance, and being resistant of ground echos, chaff and noise jamming, (as the jammer is only acting as a homing beacon for the missile).

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Last edited by Hpasp; 01/27/12 06:01 AM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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This mode is the right one for shooting at SCUD, right? (anyway, no other mode allows me to launch, so that must be the right one).
Hpasp- outstanding photos!!! Never drop "the sourcerer stone"! wink
In one of shooting Vega made a direct hit on 8K14... Radiofuse didn't explode, but the targer was destroyed by impact. That was a sight!...

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This mode is the right one for shooting at SCUD, right? (anyway, no other mode allows me to launch, so that must be the right one).

As the SCUD is not jamming, you can shoot it with normal mode also.
("Do Starta, Poisk V VKL")

(just press the launch button during flashing, when it is on)
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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As the SCUD is not jamming, you can shoot it with normal mode also.
("Do Starta, Poisk V VKL")

(just press the launch button during flashing, when it is on)


I've tried, but missiles don't want to go... I'll try again when the target is at 60-70 km, as was described in data you provided. (stil use IADS to acquire the target, but I am not very fluent on VEGA) wink

P.S. FLASHING - the received echo from the target is enough, but the target is not in killing zone. So we need to shoot when it is out of range (more than 40 km altitude).

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but I am not very fluent on VEGA

They are out there, and have something for you...
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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Hpasp #3504564 01/27/12 08:46 AM
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No HARM intended smile but yes, it can be dangerous out there!


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Hpasp, could you please put Vega (just one site with full load, no IADS) into one of the Linebacker II scenarios? Very little (hope so) work on your side but a lot of fun in the meantime for anyone awaiting Libyan puzzles...

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