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When it comes to S-300 I would like to know if this system was offered to non-Warsaw Pact nations before disintegrations of the USSR. In late 80s Soviets offered to export pratically same items to Warsaw Pact as to other countries with hard currency including Su-24, T-72S (export of soviet T-72B), etc. but S-300 was exception (together with Tochka and Oka ballistic missiles).

And something from central european late history. During Meciar regime in Slovakia, which inherited one S-300PMU battery, Slovakia wanted to gain one battery of S-300PMU-1 (Slovak army demands at that time actually called for three S-300 batteries). The deal for S-300PMU-1 was signed but only shortly before fall of Meciar and his "democracy with boxing-gloves" and new government terminated that deal.

Thank you!

I have a questions, about changing type of giudance and fuse settings when the missile is already lanched. Is it possible to guide 3 missiles at the same time with three different guiding methods (with the real complex). Is it possible to switch from one guiding method to another during flight of the missile? Can fuse settings be changed during the flight of the missile? (this is for the Volkhov)

Basically before the end of the Cold War, only the S-300PMU (SA-10B) was available, with the 5V55R missile.
Bulgaria, China, and Czechoslovakia got the system, GDR and Hungary only planned it.
(Crew trained, garrison selected)

(In the SIM, at the Hungary map, if you click around Budapest units, you can recognize, that two battery is missing from the 11th Brigade...)

I have a questions, about changing type of giudance and fuse settings when the missile is already lanched. Is it possible to guide 3 missiles at the same time with three different guiding methods (with the real complex).

Yes

Is it possible to switch from one guiding method to another during flight of the missile?

Yes, but the chance of a kill is reduced.
There is a red lamp on the I-32V panel, if it illuminates, you should not change, or your chances of a kill will be marginal.

Can fuse settings be changed during the flight of the missile? (this is for the Volkhov)

No.
Only 4 commands are available: K1,K2,K3,K4

You mean the lamp for 25 seconds, if I understand you correctly.
So, if I launch a missile against a target which travels at medium altitude with subsonic speed, and after the launching, the target accelerates and decrease his altitude to below 300 meters, then what I should do??? If I have a missile on the launcher - ok - switch to "<1" mode, then change the the fuse settings to 100 meters, but if I just launched my last one?

You mean the lamp for 25 seconds, if I understand you correctly.

Yes


So, if I launch a missile against a target which travels at medium altitude with subsonic speed, and after the launching, the target accelerates and decrease his altitude to below 300 meters, then what I should do??? If I have a missile on the launcher - ok - switch to "<1" mode, then change the the fuse settings to 100 meters, but if I just launched my last one?

There was a recommendation, that the last missile of the three should be launched with RAB.po.K3. (radio proximity fuse switched off, detonate by command)
Anyway, if the target flies below 5km, you should use method K guidance, and H<5.
(manual page 46)

H<1 is not modeled in the sim, it has no effect.

Hi!
there is some new magic words ... can we have deep explanation for them:
1- seeker aided ground guidance.
2- lofted flight profile.

our stuff of S-300PMU2 is now Operational !
you can add Algeria as official user of it ! ... ...

what about a series of S-300V/VM? some summarize about it ..

I have make this for our DZ forum:


HD r�solution 3500x2465 can be found Her,

I'm waiting for your comment (and correction so).

(this one is not 100% in English, sorry about that, I will make another in EN. at 100% after some corrections and ads !)

@ Kairo - Isn't SAGG just a Russian expression for TVM (Track-via-Missile)?
@ Hpasp - for such lofted trajectory - is it similar to what the US have already invented for Nike-Hercules, and (solved in a slightly other way) combined guidance flight profile for Vega's 5V28? Was it intended to extend the missile range, and / or to improve its initial position to engage a maneuvering target (from above)?

http://www.thuleforum.com/nike.htm - already mentioned in this thread, discusses Hercules flight profiles

S-300PMU2 - congratulations! Could you ask your colleagues to borrow a copy of Altek-300 sim software to our community?

(Track-via-Missile)? -- I really don't know ?

Could you ask ...
are you ... .. do you want me to be ... .. , it's our national security men ... ask others country who stoped using it ... it's more safe ...

Do not confuse three pairs of notions:
- piracy and espionage;
- Almaz's copyright with any country's national security (dependant upon many things, software simulators being rather close to the end of such list);
- and finally, better and worse jokes . Should it be legal to get it without being a S-300 user, it would be already offered for sale at Almaz's website. Everybody likes making money. I'm confident about the future, when S-300 finally gets an Excess Defence Article status, but - will we be still alive until then?

About TVM (using layperson-to-layperson method - Hpasp, please react decisively for any blasphemy):
first, about two guidance systems we already use in SAMSIM:
1) pure command guidance: missile absolutely 'dumb', flies where fire control radar directs it to do so (Wolkhov, Neva, Krug). In order to do so, radar should accurately see when the target and missile is.
2) semi-active radar homing, when missile knows accurately just direction of the target (not distance), homing on reflected radar signal (not own, but fire control radar's - that's how Vega works). Radar does not need neither to see accurately the target nor the missile position - just keep the beam on the target, fire when in range (plus-minus hundreds of meters), and missile will find its way. Better than method 1, but the missile still can react in its only one fixed way (guidance method, e.g. half-lead) for target maneuvers. Generally works well, but... (see: target maneuvers)

Track-via-Missile combines advantages of two guidance systems. Imagine a missile having a good "nose" (semi-active radar seeker) but otherwise dumb, and under constant oversight from a ground-based "brain" (fire control radar) that tracks target and missile at the same time and can direct the missile to better react for target's behaviour. Furthermore, the missile can transmit what it "sees" (target position in angle versus missile) back to the radar - and ta-daaa, we have target info from two sources!

By the way, anyone knows the market price for S-300PMU(x) battery?

(yes, just in case that Altek-300 wouldn't be for sale as stand-alone )

Left colunm is about S-300V instead of S-300F written here
Somehow SA-10B is under it.

S-300PM is SA-10B
S-300PM2 Favorit is not fielded in Russia, only avaiable for export.

S-300PMU-1A is surplus

SAGG is the US expression describing the Russian "TWM" guidance method.

Russians simply call the two guidance method used by the S-300P as proportional or combined.
(They are similar to the Vega)

approximation: 150M$ to 170M$ ... only .

Guys, why don't you relax, watch this beautiful scene and have fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKsreHMX3xE

Yeah, always nice to see duel result like that... but - a simple Strela-10 missing and finding its way back several times (including at least one 180 deg turn to regain lock at 2:16)? I suspect it was steered by a dwarf in a micro-cockpit in the nose! (evidence: cockpit front glass clearly seen at 0:42, dwarf ejecting at 2:23 just before impact, revealing warhead behind the cockpit)

Or, wasn't it a Strela 10? (weird shape, burning time over 100 sec...)

Relaxing indeed, thx MK_PL!

Strela-10...
... the real one:
Has 5km max range, the missile has approx 550m/s speed...
... so the engagement is finished within 10s.


Relaxing...