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�399...That comes to around 505.340 USD based on todays exchange rate listed on XE.com.

That plants it firmly in the no fly zone for me! Sorry guys but I can not justify that kind of money on something that doesn't come with rudder pedals or any other information on how/if existing rudder pedals on the market can be hooked up to it at this time.

400 euro?

Holy crap!

Yeah for that kind of money I can have IJ send me the gimbals and still have enough left over for the Hall Sensors from Cubpilot that are pre-wired for putting into my Cougar. Well maybe not but it would be close and the Cougar has more than payed for itself over the last several years.

What were you guys expecting? �299? I would have serious questions about the quality of the controllers, if they were priced under 300.

X-65F is selling for �304.95 -> �356.99 in Amazon UK. It had a SRP of �349.99.

I guess we'll have to wait and see if the quality justifies the price. The Cougar certainly wouldn't have been worth it but I'm guessing they've learned some good lessons.

It is difficult to justify that much money but hey, a few beers and a moment of weakness may land in it my pit someday! (translated: if I ever win the friggin lottery)

Keep in mind, prices don't always translate based on conversion factors. Manufacturers frequently release things in the US at different prices than their Euro list price.

The Cougar, for example, sells here for about the same USD (~ $203.52) as it does GBP (~ �202.59).

Doomer that line of reasoning is seriously flawed. I know manufacturing costs and specifically castings and molds and they don't cost that much to implement when you are talking about runs of a product in the thousands for quantity...No matter where you get it done in the world. The HEART technology is what is already seen in the T.16000 and that stick is available for under $50USD and I am sure that TM is going to be using the same sensors and other items which have priced out at less than $10USD total for the items needed.

I understand profit since I am in business to make money as well...but rape is another subject in the current economy.

For the record if it is $399USD then I may consider it but it would be a while since that money has to be saved up.

It's even cheaper then i have expected it would be. I though roughly around 500 bucks or more.
But don't rush it guys! Wait and see how this thing performs and if the paint starts to peel.

The paint never peeled on mine and I understand what you are saying there Banks since that was a point of "contention" that some had in the beginning...perhaps it was more shoddy Chinese workmanship.

Reschke, thats a fair price for a replica product these days. I'll wait on its release before I make any assumptions of the product but so far this looks like a top notch pc. of hardware!

I am going to buy it..no questions there but this time, i will wait a few months and watch the boards and read all the reviews. I just want to make sure that i don't have to spend another 500 bucks hard cash for a complete new overhaul made in downunder.
I also hope that the programming part doesn't require you to start from scratch again but is basicly like the good old Foxy.

How can I get in contact with him, especially since Frugal's has been down for a long while? Does he also have an account here?

Also, it looks like the Warthog FINALLY has a product page, though I just knew the price was going to be something I had no chance of affording without parting with the Cougar and RCS, even if they're doing a sign swap that puts it at US$400.

It also looks like that come the 19th, the cockteasing will finally stop. Hopefully. Maybe they'll tell us something about how and what rudder pedals will work with it, as well as its programming applications and capabilities?

Not based on the specs out there for the 16000M and the the info that's supposedly been leaked.

There's not a lot you buy (especially in any sort of consumer goods industry) where the price you pay isn't 4 to 8 times the actual production line unit cost (plus a percentage of R&D). Most of the time each step in the distribution chain marks up the price 50-100% depending on various factors...and usually leaning towards 100.

That's how companies come up with "suggested retail prices" - they know what they're gonna sell it for and generally know how much it gets marked up at each step along the way.

Actually...I'm oversimplifying and exaggerating a touch there...The manufacturers price to broker/distributor is probably right around 35-40% of the MSRP, give or take.

Check here:

http://www.cougar.flyfoxy.com/sales.php#pot

They would be stupid to not use the same sensors that they already have availability on since this one is using the same "technology" as a current model. BUT I don't work for a company that believes China is the "be all/end all" to sourcing products...thank goodness!

As for the markups and such I do that every day with the business I am in selling steel pipes and fittings. We aren't the factory but we are only one step away from the steel pipe mill and our markup is between 10-30% in that level.

At any rate there is nothing new right now and when we know it will not make one doggone bit of difference to TM what we think of the pricing.

It may be using the same technology as a current model, but aside from the sensor and perhaps the magnet that reads the sensor, there's probably not 1 physical part in common with the 16000.

I don't see a problem with the pricing, myself. It's no more expensive than the Cougar was at release, when adjusted for inflation....

Heck, I bought my Cougar used 5-6 years ago for a price higher than they're now selling for new.

No matter how many different gimbal systems and hall sensors you drop into a Cougar, no one has figured out how to create a second throttle where this isn't one to begin with.

Before everyone has an aneurysm over the price, let's wait and see what the specs are (hopefully revealed to at least moderate satisfaction on the 19th). The important thing to determine is if this HOTAS is worth its price, not if one individual decides to spend or not spend that kind of money.

Well simulations are an expensive hobby and not everyone can afford every controller out there, myself included. Thats why there are cheap controllers and expensive ones, I'll wait and see but I hope for this to be a top notch product thats well worth the indicated price.

You know what though something that just rang home with me on this gear...WHAT IF DCS and TM are working together and when you purchase the setup for XXX amount of money you get the DCS A-10 game as well?

Just a shot in the dark and in that case I would certainly do what I could to make it happen if I was going to get a $50USD-$60USD game along side of a set of controllers as well.

That would be interesting, I remember the days of bundled controllers and simulations. Although the simulation didn't always equal the quality of the controller (thats not what I'm getting at LOL). A high end controller with a high end sim..... that would be awesome! Whats a little scary about you idea is that the A-10 controller is made exclusively for DCSA10. I understand it is an A10 controller I'd just hate for certain functions to only interface with DCSA10. This is in regard to Saitek Pro Flight range products that ONLY work with FSX.

Want all those shiny buttons to work in any sim not just one...