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Yes, rescue, that's what I meant. Search and Rescue. Combat Search and Rescue sounds like a very rewarding, challenging, and exciting job. And it's a very important part of the Air Force mission for it's helicopter fleet.


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Do choppers in USAF fight? in SF, yes...but they are being phased out for Ospri.


Today, I experienced something interesting. During interval takeoff in formation, I got something unexpected. Interval take off is when 01 takes off and 02 delays for 6 seconds. As I lifted off, passed 100 feet and reaching for gear handle to clean up, my plane suddenly banked 45 degrees. I quickly corrected to wings level. Then airplane started quickly banking again and I caught it back to wings level. But to keep airplane wings level, I needed unusual amount of aileron. So my mind quickly thinks "control problem? No, I check on the ground. Trim issue? I glance on trim gauge...nope". So I quickly clean up and finally figured out what was wrong... Who wants to guess? Hint, I was 2.

4 formation rides left. 1 formation check ride. 2 low levels.



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Wake turbulence caused by wingtip vortices.


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Yep. Wingtip vortices. It scared me quite a bit. Low to the ground and sudden roll in to the ground.... eekkk.

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If you get a chopper now you might get an Osprey a few years down the road...

And as I said earlier in the thread, Chopper skills are easily the most valuable goods you can transfer to a civilian career. Big Airlines are cutting down all the time, but the EMS, Logging, Power Line Companies and such are always on the lookout for experienced Helo drivers. With the added benefit of this being a job that means you can live at home and don't spend nearly as much nights abroad as an Airline Captain.

I'm actually curious - once you finish UPT, can you get a civilian license PPL w. IFR for private flying?

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� 61.73 Military pilots or former military pilots: Special rules.

(a) General. Except for a person who has been removed from flying status for lack of proficiency or because of a disciplinary action involving aircraft operations, a U.S. military pilot or former military pilot who meets the requirements of this section may apply, on the basis of his or her military pilot qualifications, for:

(1) A commercial pilot certificate with the appropriate aircraft category and class rating.

(2) An instrument rating with the appropriate aircraft rating.

(3) A type rating.

(b) Military pilots and former military pilots in the U.S. Armed Forces. A person who qualifies as a military pilot or former military pilot in the U.S. Armed Forces may apply for a pilot certificate and ratings under paragraph (a) of this section if that person�

(1) Presents evidentiary documents described under paragraphs (h)(1), (2), and (3) of this section that show the person's status in the U.S. Armed Forces.

(2) Has passed the military competency aeronautical knowledge test on the appropriate parts of this chapter for commercial pilot privileges and limitations, air traffic and general operating rules, and accident reporting rules.

(3) Presents official U.S. military records that show compliance with one of the following requirements�

(i) Before the date of the application, passing an official U.S. military pilot and instrument proficiency check in a military aircraft of the kind of aircraft category, class, and type, if class or type of aircraft is applicable, for the ratings sought; or

(ii) Before the date of application, logging 10 hours of pilot time as a military pilot in a U.S. military aircraft in the kind of aircraft category, class, and type, if a class rating or type rating is applicable, for the aircraft rating sought.

(c) A military pilot in the Armed Forces of a foreign contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation. A person who is a military pilot in the Armed Forces of a foreign contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation and is assigned to pilot duties in the U.S. Armed Forces, for purposes other than receiving flight training, may apply for a commercial pilot certificate and ratings under paragraph (a) of this section, provided that person�

(1) Presents evidentiary documents described under paragraph (h)(4) of this section that show the person is a military pilot in the Armed Forces of a foreign contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation, and is assigned to pilot duties in the U.S. Armed Forces, for purposes other than receiving flight training.

(2) Has passed the military competency aeronautical knowledge test on the appropriate parts of this chapter for commercial pilot privileges and limitations, air traffic and general operating rules, and accident reporting rules.

(3) Presents official U.S. military records that show compliance with one of the following requirements:

(i) Before the date of the application, passed an official U.S. military pilot and instrument proficiency check in a military aircraft of the kind of aircraft category, class, or type, if class or type of aircraft is applicable, for the ratings; or

(ii) Before the date of the application, logged 10 hours of pilot time as a military pilot in a U.S. military aircraft of the kind of category, class, and type of aircraft, if a class rating or type rating is applicable, for the aircraft rating.

(d) Instrument rating. A person who is qualified as a U.S. military pilot or former military pilot may apply for an instrument rating to be added to a pilot certificate if that person�

(1) Has passed an instrument proficiency check in the U.S. Armed Forces in the aircraft category for the instrument rating sought; and

(2) Has an official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the person is instrument pilot qualified by the U.S. Armed Forces to conduct instrument flying on Federal airways in that aircraft category and class for the instrument rating sought.

(e) Aircraft type rating. An aircraft type rating may only be issued for a type of aircraft that has a comparable civilian type designation by the Administrator.

(f) Aircraft type rating placed on an airline transport pilot certificate. A person who is a military pilot or former military pilot of the U.S. Armed Forces and requests an aircraft type rating to be placed on an existing U.S. airline transport pilot certificate may be issued the rating at the airline transport pilot certification level, provided that person:

(1) Holds a category and class rating for that type of aircraft at the airline transport pilot certification level; and

(2) Has passed an official U.S. military pilot check and instrument proficiency check in that type of aircraft.

(g) Flight instructor certificate and ratings. A person who can show official U.S. military documentation of being a U.S. military instructor pilot or U.S. military pilot examiner, or a former instructor pilot or pilot examiner may apply for and be issued a flight instructor certificate with the appropriate ratings if that person:

(1) Holds a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate aircraft category and class rating, if a class rating is appropriate, for the flight instructor rating sought;

(2) Holds an instrument rating, or has instrument privileges, on the pilot certificate that is appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought; and

(3) Presents the following documents:

(i) A knowledge test report that shows the person passed a knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas listed under �61.185(a) appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought and the knowledge test was passed within the preceding 24 calendar months prior to the month of application. If the U.S. military instructor pilot or pilot examiner already holds a flight instructor certificate, holding of a flight instructor certificate suffices for the knowledge test report.

(ii) An official U.S. Armed Forces record or order that shows the person is or was qualified as a U.S. Armed Forces military instructor pilot or pilot examiner for the flight instructor rating sought.

(iii) An official U.S. Armed Forces record or order that shows the person completed a U.S. Armed Forces' instructor pilot or pilot examiner training course and received an aircraft rating qualification as a military instructor pilot or pilot examiner that is appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought.

(iv) An official U.S. Armed Forces record or order that shows the person passed a U.S. Armed Forces instructor pilot or pilot examiner proficiency check in an aircraft as a military instructor pilot or pilot examiner that is appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought.

(h) Documents for qualifying for a pilot certificate and rating. The following documents are required for a person to apply for a pilot certificate and rating:

(1) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the person is or was a military pilot.

(2) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the person graduated from a U.S. Armed Forces undergraduate pilot training school and received a rating qualification as a military pilot.

(3) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the pilot passed a pilot proficiency check and instrument proficiency check in an aircraft as a military pilot.

(4) If a person is a military pilot in the Armed Forces from a foreign contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation and is applying for a pilot certificate and rating, that person must present the following:

(i) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the person is a military pilot in the U.S. Armed Forces;

(ii) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows the person is assigned as a military pilot in the U.S. Armed Forces for purposes other than receiving flight training;

(iii) An official record that shows the person graduated from a military undergraduate pilot training school from the Armed Forces from a foreign contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation or from the U.S. Armed Forces, and received a qualification as a military pilot; and

(iv) An official U.S. Armed Forces record that shows that the person passed a pilot proficiency check and instrument proficiency check in an aircraft as a military pilot in the U.S. Armed Forces.

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Woops, the usual lot of paperwork - but seems doable.

Curious though that it only talks about CPL and IFR licenses, no mention of a simple VFR-PPL (for which you must be more than qualified right now I think...)

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Today instead of flying formation, I got to fly low level. Basically for 48 minutes I got to fly in min visibility and rain at 500-1000agl while navigating using a map and a clock while dodging cell phone towers. Enormous fun! Final point was to simulate bomb run and I shacked it. I arrived to it within 1 second.

1 low level flight left. 4 formation and 1 check. Expected T-6 complete time is next week.

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Originally Posted By: Sim
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Do choppers in USAF fight? in SF, yes...but they are being phased out for Ospri.


Today, I experienced something interesting. During interval takeoff in formation, I got something unexpected. Interval take off is when 01 takes off and 02 delays for 6 seconds. As I lifted off, passed 100 feet and reaching for gear handle to clean up, my plane suddenly banked 45 degrees. I quickly corrected to wings level. Then airplane started quickly banking again and I caught it back to wings level. But to keep airplane wings level, I needed unusual amount of aileron. So my mind quickly thinks "control problem? No, I check on the ground. Trim issue? I glance on trim gauge...nope". So I quickly clean up and finally figured out what was wrong... Who wants to guess? Hint, I was 2.

4 formation rides left. 1 formation check ride. 2 low levels.




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Wait...What? Oh...he was flying a real plane. My bad. :-)

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Most of the time, there is usually an offer from the FAA that will allow you to take a 'military competency aeronautical knowledge test' to get the required rating.

It used to be graduation from pilot training would allow you to get a commercial instrument rating, multi engine, limited to centerline thrust (not immediately useful).

However, that has changed.

One, during screening, you get a PPL once complete with flight screening (before pilot training).

Two, because everyone now goes through T-6s, you are now qualed for single engine ops.

Three, I believe T-1As are non-centerline thrust...

Overall, the commerical ratings you can get are more immedately useful now than they used to be. In addition, for those in the military who get qualified in specific aircraft may be able to get civilian type ratings with just a simple form submittal. Aircraft such as the KC-10 (DC-10), T-43 (737-200), several other civilian types the military and government use.

And everyone wants to be meat-eaters at the beginning...but not everyone can.

Honestly, if you have the technical ability to be a fighter pilot, but you decide not to be a fighter pilot for no other reason than the concern that you might fail...then you're not a fighter pilot.

Good luck Sim with whatever you end up with.

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FastCargo,

Out of 30 people in my class, only 5 will get T-38. Out of those, only one fighter....

Results of assignment night
-38's
1 x A-10 Barksdale (ANG)
1 x F-16 Deluth (ANG)
2 x T-6 FAIP
1 x UAV Creech
1 x C-17 Charleston
1 x B-52 Barksdale
1 x F-15E Seymour Johnson
1 x F-15C Langley
1 x F-15S (Saudi)

T-1's
2 x KC-10 Travis (1 AFRC)
1 x C-130 Pope
1 x UAV Fargo (ANG)
1 x UAV Creech
1 x UAV Cannon
1 x C-17 Charleston
1 x C-21 Fargo (ANG)
3 x EC-130 Davis-Monthan
1 x KC-135 MacDill
1 x C-130 Dobins (AFRC)
1 x C-5 Dover
1 x C-130J Keesler
1 x T-1 FAIP
1 x KC-135 Fairchild

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I see 2 fighters there for active...not just one.

That's about the right proportion though. My class had the same layout in overall slots.

I will say the C-17 should not be the T-38 track, and UAVs should not be in pilot training at all. There should be a dedicated UAV training track that doesn't take a year to get qualed in.

T-6 FAIPs tend to be of the more 'spreading the pain' around classes vs in a class...surprisingly, no T-38 FAIPs though....

Bomber slots are rare...no surprise.

Let me completely clairify my point...flying fighters is an attitude, not just ability. I guarantee that if you REALLY want to fly fighters, and presuming something extraordinary doesn't happen to you (you die, medical disqual), you can get a fighter eventually. I know several buds who did other things before getting a fighter because they had the drive do to so...tanker toads, bomber pukes, trash haulers, FAIPs...yep, seen it all (UAVs...maybe...). They were not happy with their situation until that fighter was in their hands...and drove themselves all the harder with every failure.

They did not 'settle' for anything...they wanted it that bad. If the slots weren't available at the time (which happens), they made the effort to get that fighter later.

A note also about your ANG bubbas...just because they have their 'fighter' up front, does not mean they'll get it...they have to make it through pilot training. We've had guys not get their fighter, even though they already had one, because of washing out in SUPT, IFF, RTU.

On the other hand, the ANG dudes I've flown with are good...one of my UPT classmates was a HANG bubba, and is now in charge of the HANG F-15 unit (soon to be F-22) out at HI.

Sorry for a bit of a rant...but I have found if you want something bad enough, do not be happy settling for something else...or if you do settle, be honest with yourself why you did. It gets old sometimes hearing "Well, I could have flown fighters, but I liked the trash haulin' lifestyle..." Does anyone else think that sounds really lame?

Good luck with drop!

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C-17 and B-52 out of a T-38 trainer? Doesn't compute for me.

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Cant wait to see what you get Sim!!!!

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Will be interesting too see what you get Sim.


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I'm wishing you all the good luck I can send. I'm getting ready for my FAA written test .


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Originally Posted By: oldgrognard
I'm getting ready for my FAA written test .


I'll bet you are going to know more Part 91 rules than I do.. wink



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FastCargo, I'll have to kindly disagree. I'm a realist and do not see same 'if I want it really badly, I'll get it'. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.


Anyhow, I'm done with formation. Checkride went, as always, not exactly as planned. But I managed OK. I received 4 downgrades three of which were just plain stupid retardedness on my part. Excellent over all so that's good. Tomorrow I have one 'special' sim and final T-6 flight as a low level. For special sim I'll try to bring some pictures back. It involves flying ILS in T-38 at 600 knots. Should be interesting.



While flying in formation we constantly watch for 'rolling Gs'. Compared to sims that I played, I've never heard of that term before or players watching out and discussing on forums 'rolling Gs'. Rolling Gs are Gs applied while more than one axis is involved. Basically asymmetric Gs do more damage than symmetric. For example T-6 has 7Gs limit while pulling symmetric Gs and only 4.7 while asymmetric. So when pulling straight ahead and I want to turn, I would relax Gs and turn quickly and then reapply straight pull. It would be interesting to add such complexity to flight sims.

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For special sim I'll try to bring some pictures back. It involves flying ILS in T-38 at 600 knots. Should be interesting.


That definitely should be interesting. By my math:

3 Degree Glide Slope = 6000 / 2 = 3000 vertical FPM on the approach? Is that right?



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Unless they've radically changed the rules since I was an FAA controller, SIM may get to the destination at 600 knots, but the ILS approach will be flown at normal approach speed for a T-38.

Just sayin' . . . .

BTW, I've enjoyed following this thread. Very informative.

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