homepage Forums Air Combat & Civil Aviation Rise of Flight - The First Great Air War WWI sim, based on the IL-2 engine announced

Well this was annouced some time ago and like most things I thought it had died a long death.
Well done we need a decent WW1 Sim WAW is fun but we need a serious one.

I am onboard for sure

Dolph I think you underestimate the numbers of ex RB types here. Lowengrin of DCG fame was once more famous for his excellent 3rd party Aircraft he created for RB3D.
I'm dead excited, this is what I've been waiting for, a 21 century WWI flight sim.
My old RFC uniform is out of mothballs and waiting for me. Just get me a Camel and this war will be over by Christmas.

and, LOL, if you think the flame wars here are bad, anyone remember the "Climb like a monkey" war on the Delphi board...where's Von Helton

This is going to be great!!

Oh man, this is something I've been waiting for! I love the biplanes IL2 allready have, and I'm constantly making WWI missions for them, but Gladiator and U2's won't beat the real thing.

Well, the airbases were usually about ten-twenty kilometers apart on either side of the trenches, and the air battles took place at low altitudes, so there shouldn't be much waiting and traversing empty space, as compared to Il-2 et al.

I've always felt that because the aircraft of WW1 operate at airspeeds so much lower than the WW2 variety, the game engine could use much more of its power to due "other" things.

The level of detail for the a/c and ground objects could make PF look like RBII , and the ground action could be a very active, integral part of the sim. Fancy sound effects eat up a fair bit of power, but again this could be emphasized in the game.

Copterdrvr

Hi..


http://www.airwar.ru/enc_e/fww1/camel.html

Look at the Sopwith Camels armament..

4 11,3 kilos bombs...

looking forward to this sim..been flying Ians hungary missions with Fiat cr42..good fun..

Booom..!!!

Where were all the modelers and interst 2 years ago when we tried to do it then? All we needed then was more modelers and it would have been free. I guess it is the real world and folks want to get paid and do what they want,and timing is everything. All of the sudden we go from no recent WWI sim to 3. There is the Over Flanders Field mod (looking good if you ask me), the Thirdwire sim and now this. Good to have choices, but will this make it out of the Russian market? Last I recall that was an UbI decesssion.

The answer is yes...the P.11, the Cr.42 and the Gladiator (J8A) are a blast to fly, they are flown in some places on some servers, and they are a boatload of fun.

Its sometimes nice to slow down and appreciate things in a different perspective. You focus alot more on co-ordinating your turns, loops, and other aerobatic moves more than you would in a FW190 where you want to avoid aerobatic sillyness

Make no mistake WWI combat is still very much about energy.

I hope it wont face the same fate as KOE.
If it is based on the IL2 engine, it will probably have the same weird FM and DM anomalies as PF? These WW1 planes had heavy torque and where tricky to fly...definitely not the strong point of this engine.

Since the game is probably a standalone I don't see the same problem as with FB/PF - it won't have too many planes to display with the current FM matrix (which is the problem with FB/PF according to Oleg).

Compared to which other (infinitely better, I guess) engine?

VIKS, here's a thread where we discussed a WWI sim last year:

http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=007040#000011

My first posting in that thread....

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Verdammt! - I vant a World War 1 Sim Oleg-style and I want it NOW! Ja!

posted February 03, 2004 20:53

Why oh why has he said he doesn't want to make it?

No FM data?

Oleg! - No FM data = NO TROUBLE for you!!

You will be able to fine-tune the planes to (almost) your liking and make an eminently playable sim if you want. Nobody will be banging you on the head with roll-rate this and cockpit bar that. Just give us some nice FM's that enable historical tactics and get us as close as possible to the anecdotic evidence from WWI.
- Your bet will be as good as ours as for FM, so no need for patches and all that jazz.

I'm no good at Boom and Zoom and I find it rather boring as well... "Come back, I want to fight, don't fly away..." - No, turn and Burn is what I know and that's what WWI will be all about!

Also, the planes are incredible beautiful, just imagine making skins for WWI! - no matter how gaudy, it won't be out of place in the Richthofen Zirkus!

The fighting will be UP and CLOSE. All the wires and bracing and wheels and scared gunners with scarves and goggles will look amazing through a gunsight. We NOW have the computers for the incredible visual experience of 20-50 m. dogfight distances.

Damage modelling. Don't get me started! - Planes catching fire and smoking, yes, we have that in WWII as well, but just imagine what more we will have in WWI. Planes CRUMPLING! And not just crumpling, but shredding, disintegrating, with canvas buffeting and blood spurting from severed jugulars, all in glorious close-up!

Dynamic Campaign? - Ha! No need for it, the fronts were as static as they could be. One problem less.

But, talking about the fronts. - Amazing visuals again! - A scar across the landscape: Mud, trenches and barbed wire. Artillery barrages, gas attacks, fires and explosions and poor little grunts that we can fly high above, we, the Knights of the Sky! It'll be amazing to fly over the WWI frontlines and there will be no boring long missions, just dogfights a few km. away from home base.

Engine management, prop pitch, fuel mixture? - Well, I'll happily live without it, and that's what I'll do in a WWI sim. Pure fighting and no fiddling. - Nice, should be attractive to the masses!

And then all the extras. Long-range Gothas over London, Zeppelins (!) and the first carrier take-offs of the Royal Navy. Ilya Mourometz and strange Capronis and a host of other bizarre and wonderful planes.

(Well, if London is too complicated to model, then no sweat, the trenches of WWI were mostly far away from big cities, one problem less there)

Finally there's just the GLORY of WWI air fighting. No terrible ideologies (except for your widely held, run-of-the-mill imperialism), no national markings that we CAN'T put in, no carpet bombing and firestorms, just heroic jousts in the heavens where the best man may win.

(No wimpy chutes either...)

OK, if anybody should doubt it: I REALLY want Oleg to make a WWI flight sim!

P-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-lease!!

Whaddaya guys think? - Have I convinced you, or were you already converts?

- Freycinet

Sure hope this one makes it to the store shelves...

This is good news!!

And the don't forget about the Third Wire effort that should comr out early next year.

Here are some of the latest dev. shots:




Barkhorn.

To those thinking that a lack of FM data means no arguments....ROFL! The FM debates in RB2/3D and other WW1 efforts make the FM debates in WW2 sims look like children pretending to argue. On the contrary, when there is little data the emotional ties to perceptions are about a million times stronger than any ones ties to WW2 charts.

Hehe, sorry, just makes me chuckle. No, the upcoming FM debates on a WWI sim will make all previous debates sim like nothing more than minor differences of opinion on insignificant items.

Hell, I remember a long heated debate on Delphi of nearly 700 posts just srguing over the shade of color on a DVII lozenge!

Someone asked if I fly the slow bi-planes in IL2. Absolutely! Every chance I get. WW2 has always, and will always be a temporary fix for my virtual combat flying jones until a good WWI sim comes along.

I quit flying RB3D because I simply kept running into too many technical issues and lack of server options to hold my interest for online play, but I still have on my system and still roll out on a sortie or two offline using a Glide emulator and the Full Canvas Jacket patch.

Had Sierra/Dynamix come out with an Red Baron 4 with it's campaign system and updated, modern graphics and more aircraft I never would have bothered even trying the demo of IL2.

Give you any indication of where my interest lies?

Yeah, Sensei, but there is less of a problem for the sim programmers if no-one can come up with performance data, but just anecdotical evidence.

Got to say that those screenies from the Third Wire effort aren't too impressive. Anyway, they are development screenies, I know.

On the Fokker Dr.1 model of the Gennadich team, the thickness of the rear control surfaces looks exaggerated. I mean, they should basically taper to a fine rear edge, shouldn't they?
http://www.gennadich.com/img/dev/scr7+.jpg ??
http://www.gennadich.com/img/dev/scr3.jpg ??

I'm more excited about the OFF mod for CFS3 than the thirdwire. No good track ir support in the TW version.

Some OFF shots:

http://off.oldbrowndog.net/

Freycinet, no most control surfaces in WWI did not taper to a fine edge. Remember they were dealing with wood and canvas, not metal...

The more WW1 sims we have the better in my book

Here's more recent shots of over Flanders Fields mod..


edited for size woops sorry

more...

http://www.polovski.com/off/Nov_update/Off-Nov12th.html