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He seems to think the world owes him a favour when he says things like:



What has he done lately? well lately he has posted sarcastic, disrespectful barbs aimed at customers but that's nothing new. You may have had your epiphany about Jason and the way he deals with people recently but look back and you'll see plenty of examples of how his behaviour has never really changed. [Text deleted], he openly accused the WOFF team of using artwork that didn't belong to them only to backtrack when he realised his mistake and tried to pretend it was all a joke with the help of some quick editing of forum posts (wonder where they get it from on the BoS forums?). He's posted a foul four letter word tirade here at a customer here. I went to him for help over the poor moderation that saw me banned and he treated me with contempt, he's berated customers on his own forums numerous times. He's paid or incentivised people to go out and post positive comments about the game and counter criticism and turned flight sim fan on flight sim fan so no its not lately its a long history.

I'm all with you Revvin, every single word you posted. All I'm saying is just because someone points out something done right just doesn't equates him being labled as a Messias.

(and yes, every single word in your post above )

Precisely one of the many reasons that outfit will never see another dime from me. With BOS/BOM no great loss, as I no longer fly or desire to fly BOS so I sure was not going to put any money into BOM.

I have really enjoyed ROF, but will not support it any longer either with any money for additional content.

Their attitude along with very poor design decisions have cost them my business. I am sure no great loss to them either.

Well...I've got my BOM bar on and ready to follow this production expedition through thick and thin........and ask some tough questions along the way if need be. Best advice I could give those guys...is don't play shell games with us...and you won't be put on the spot. I don't plan on ever being rude or purposely offensive, but if I have a legitimate question about a product I'm supporting and have purchased...I'm going to ask and I'm going to expect an answer. In this case........silence really was golden.

I have never been rude or offensive either, not since day 1. Have never received so much as a warning from a Mod over there.

Yet, some of my posts just magically disappear - yeah right.
Why? Because they are some legitimate critiques of their game, done in a respectful manner. Critique being the key word...
They disappear, because as I have not broken any rules, they really can't just edit it to remove the offensive part, or issue warnings. So it just gets deleted.
Yet, some of their core supporters can post anything they want , trashing anyone that shows any critique, they can name call, anything- and it stands.

I hope BOS/BOM is successful and development continues even beyond BOM for the guys that do enjoy the game, however I certainly have some concerns about that.
But they have lost me as a customer , regardless of where they go from here.

Youre right Don. Any real prying into the "core" of the game.....get's a little too close for them....

I'm sure you noticed they locked a thread down in the BOS forum about the DN capabilities. Oh man....head em off at the pass boys! They can't even give it time to see if it's going to get offensive or break any forum rules.....Oh wait...let me see....repetitive posts concerning the same topic....or this should have been in the Ask the Developers section.

SimHQ is just such a wonderful platform for us to discuss our hobby, and the great thing is a lot of simmers do peruse this forum and check into what's going on with BOS. And even the guys that have popped in here and called us....well not nice things...I know...in the dark recesses of their very being...they want some answers too.

On a side note....my son just purchased a really nice gaming computer...and Veterans missions....even with his system show some considerable limitations with the current BOS model. That does concern me a bit.

Oh yeah, I noticed - and am not surprised.

I think they should add to their forum rules:

"Any posts that show any negativity toward BOS/BOM will be deleted and any further negativity will result in permanent bans. Only positive posts are allowed. Supporters are allowed to bash/trash any poster that shows any negativity in any postings."

A certain Monty Python referencing dork really adores that last part. It's sad how tribal they behave. They'll embellish the short comings of other flight sims to ridiculous measures while downplaying the most obvious of flaws in BoS.

Is this true? Seriously? Man I need to get out of flight sims. So freaking tired of certain developers. I feel dirty giving folk like that my money

Statements like this should not be made without proof.

I'd have to agree with that sentiment. I know Revvin is saying that somebody else is attributing that behavior to Jason, but that isn't really worthy of repeating without supporting evidence. If it did happen, it would almost certainly have been deleted shortly afterwards in order to protect the card holder's privacy. If someone did not grab a screenshot and save it, there probably is no evidence to be found.

I can't authoritatively say that it did, or did not happen. I have put out an inquiry to some folks who have been here a lot longer than I have... so far all responses have been that they didn't remember that happening. They also doubt that Jason would have done that.

Let's not descend into that sort of hearsay. There is plenty to discuss, both good and bad, that can be supported by links, etc.

And yet it is left there unchanged and un moderated... so by that precedent I should be able to post anything as long as "a friend told me so" and therefore bypass any form of site rules/recommendations....if it cannot be proved wrong by links or screenshots I guess it has to be assumed as true and left for all the world to see until proved otherwise

Cheers Dakpilot

1. Reread what I wrote. Your conclusions are not compatible with that.

2. I still have inquiries out. In other words, it isn't done yet.

Also, the possibility existed that Revvin would produce supporting evidence. He's had a history here of being rather good at backing up his claims.

I see your point Dakpilot but as you might have noticed this is not the place where people believe things just because someone states it.

While Revvin usually have solid statements this one obviously falls under "I heard on the internet" just as most statements from Jason/Loft the last months.

Sad to see you have such low expectations on us evaluating information.

So, if I understand well, any lie and any malicious and defamatory accusation should be allowed, since every forum reader is wise and smart enough to have a perfect judgement.... in other words, moderation is totally and absolutely unneeded, especially on this forum, supposed to make any reader a visionary man.....

let's go back to the raw reality: Revvin's claim about Jason's supposed mean behavior (displaying someone credit card details) is nothing but a lie and a malicious and despicable attack.... if you want to call a spade a spade.

Yes I am serious, I find it disturbing that unsubstantiated defamatory claims should be left posted because the "possibility exists" that they may be backed up

+EDIT+

It would seem that the post I just replied to vanished

Cheers Dakpilot

Sorry Dak, I deleted my post that you are replying to. The moderator, I believe, has made the appropriate response to Revvin's post - put up or shut up, stated more eloquently of course. Simply deleting posts that some object to is not the way it's done here, it seems.

Edit: But I am free to delete my own post if I choose to.

I have to totally agree with Dakpilot on this one, and we rarely agree it seems. I think it goes like this," Innocent until proven guilty". This precedence sets a very bad framework for people to throw stuff out there for trolls or people with a personal axe to grind against a particular person they do not like. I am not saying Revin did this, but it seems appropriate to delete that statement until proof is presented to substantiate the claim. Out of all my years of reading what Jason has communicated to the ROF & BOS Community, besides a rant here and there, and haven't we all done that a time or two, I have never read of him purposefully writing anything to harm or financially hurt anyone on any public forum. My 2 cents for what it's worth.

S!Blade<><

More the lurker here, but must side with Blade_Meister.

"Innocent till proven"

Keep the benfit of the doubt here, enough rubbish going on at "THE" other site.



As I am typing anyways, met an old sim Buddy from the good ol IL2 days yesterday, who wanted to team up again.

Recommended CLOD+TF wholeheartedly. Had a hard time explaining why I no longer backup BOM ect. Told him to

make up his own mind, and IF he wanted to buy into BOS wait for a Discount.

Kinda sad advice, for someone who previously bought EVERYTHING in premium (and gifts) from 777 and 1C.

Times have changed, rank and file users like myself seem to fade away.

Well done Loft & Co. "as ye sow, so shall ye reap" springs to mind.


Ah well, my 2 Cents as usual...