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I don't care when they release it, but that's just BS false equivalency.

When you set a release date in late 2014 after previous delays, then in early 2015 tack on 6 more months and say you are in pre-freaking-alpha, that's not a case of "well, you just can't please anyone no matter what you do."

But what can you do about it other than get upset? Nothing

EA Sports, lol

Maybe you missed the first sentence where I said "I don't care when they release it." So I'm not sure how it proves your point. It would be the opposite of your point in fact.

Your equivalency is silly. People are logical to comment about the continued delays. It's not equivalent to someone who'd complain if they promised tomorrow and didn't release today. That'd be illogical.

Jedi is right when he says the delay doesn't make sense. People are going to comment when something like that happens. That's not trivial.

Lockheed took 54 months, but DX10 was already in FSX. Going from 10 to 11 isn't nearly the same as 9 to 10.

There are many many games that have had DX10 support since 2007, when Vista was only one year old. Company of Heroes had it patched in then, for example. Bioshock. Crysis. Given that they had the information a year before Vista came out, still it took them all of two years.

Now as DX10 came out IN 2006, the very idea that you wait until 2010 to start working on DX11 makes no sense. What makes sense is ED was thinking about DX10, before 11 came out, but didn't announce it to US until 2010. Because there is no chance ED told us they were putting DX11 support in before they even started working on it, right?

It can't have been less than 6 months, which even so would've been wildly optimistic to tell us 6 months after they started, with apparently the original expectation that A-10 was going to be patched to DX11 not long after release.



Why did Lockheed take that long? Same reason it's taken ED this long. It's not that it's hard, it's that it's low priority. They've been prioritizing working on the things that will make them money directly over the things like EDGE that they can't charge for without breaking up the product and annoying a lot of people. You yourself mentioned all the DCS modules that have apparently or definitely vanished because of people not working on them enough.

The race is now on as to whether EDGE comes out before DX12 or not.



The Jedi Master

To be brutally honest......

Whilst there is obviously a reason for EDGE, Nevada, Yada yada yada not being released yet....

..... It really is a pile of hot steaming brown stuff they ED can't be arsed or think that we the people can't handle a valid explanation for the protracted delays......


If ED had some competition, I would be a happy bunny.

EDGE would likely be released before DoveTail puts out any form of competition.

outside of FSX, there isn't any Multi-Aircraft Study Sim Competition. (Well BMS, But only the F-16 is study level).

Even then, FSX was not designed for combat.

I agree these EDGE delays are really becoming disappointing, I've just decided not rely on any of their projected release dates. But if it's going to take until at least June, they should release a patch for the current version to fix some of these annoying bugs they say they have fixed in their internal version. Currently, we have a lot of beta modules with bugs and no fixes until EDGE/2.0 is released. I think I'll wait until EDGE/2.0 is released before I purchase any new modules.

Yes, that part is annoying. So many things have been tied to the EDGE/2.0 update that when it gets delayed it means so do so many other things we need.




The Jedi Master

I'm hoping for a sooner release of EDGE like everyone else. The sad part is I remember the day I bought A10 beta. And I bought that because of the developer's words about how they were working on dedicated server files for MP.

Now I'm sure everyone remembers how long ago it was A10 was in beta, but based on that alone, I'm not going to be holding my breath as to when EDGE is finally coming. To me, you have to have all the fundamentals in place to really make it grow into the "ultimate" sim. And one of those fundamentals that we all became used to from IL2 was the ability to host a massive MP session and having dedicated server software.

So I'll just continue to sit back and wait, and wait, and wait, year after year, in the hopes that one day they will make true on that promise way back when. We've got one of the best dedicated servers on the planet and it sucks we can't host DCS yet.

I just hope it all ends up sooner than later. Here's to hoping!

That's a catch 22: Developing an interim patch takes away dev resources that could (presumably) be advancing EDGE, so they delay 2.0 to make another 1.xx. Plus, that 1.xx is likely to produce it's own bugs and issues, which starts the whole cycle over again.

I think (hope...) that ED has simply decided to hoof it over the "hump" that is 2.0, and resume patching from there.

Yeah, I thought that back when we were at 1.2.8. Next stop, 2.0! Then new planes were coming out and they had to patch for those and...



The Jedi Master

I agree they released patches for each of the new betas and now they need patches/fixes and with 2.0 no where in sight, why not release a patch for the current version. I doubt everybody is working on 2.0 or this would delay it any further.

Brings up another frustrating point: to date, any product patches (ED or third party) are ED deployed as a bundle of fixes. I imagine this will be a pain point down the line for them as the catalog (hopefully) continues to broaden.

If this were any other developer, I'd say something like "I'm sure they thought that through, and have a well developed plan to handle that issue."

I know better...

in 2 years it'll take over 30 minutes to read the change log

In two years time, we will still be wondering where edge, Nevada and the hornet are.

+1 I agree if the delays continue.

The Hornet, yeah. It won't make 2016 when they've still shown us so little. Look how much we've seen of EDGE and Nevada over the past two years and they're still not out. I do think we'll see both of those in less than two years, though.

I won't say exactly how much less, I'm leaving the spread at 0-23 months.



The Jedi Master

Fixed that for ya'

But I could maaaaayyyybeeee see open alpha in 2016.

ED will need to pick things up with the Bug, because by 2016 its debatable if I will even care anymore.