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max2012 #3664476 10/17/12 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: max2012

I knew already that the example of the same "Tornado" at 300 meters, although in itself written

H = 100 m!

With Volkhov everywhere on small targets problem.

Well, I guess now it Hpasp generally better not to touch it, because it makes the "Shilka"

I think it is not necessary to unnerve Hpasp

And so he is now on the nerves of all this Shilka!


this bug is one of them !
but we had to wait until mr.HPasp release next version and then .... we start to find that bug's is still alive thumbsup

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Hello Everybody! wave Im "new" to this form (vell relatyvly speaking,as a registered member at lest) and just wants to say hello to evrybody who shares admiration to and enjoymanet in this beautifull little sim of our Hungarian friend (and my "neibhor", Im from Serbia) Hpasp! wave2 GREAT WORK!!!thumbsup I have allready done some "achivements" biggrin by counqering this wonderfull, but little bit strange and hard-to-learn russian technique, in missions like "Linenbeaker II" by downing both SR-71's with dvina (boy that was hard!!!), which im going to post here if somebody's like to see it! Now, I heave encountered a real problem whit this Sim,also!It's about my favorith SA-5 Gammon! I just can't shoot a single missile in Hungarian scenario beacouse the firing buttons are complitly DEAD in it! I understand that it's a training mission whit no real rockets meant to be launch, as I've allredy play it whit "dvina`s" and "volkhov`s"! And it`s preatty annoying, mad I must say, beacouse there wasn`t a word about procedure for that mission in manual for sa-5! Neither was there anything that I could find about it on this forum. sigh So if anybody could help...I will appreciate it,greatly!;) See you guys and... sorry for bad English!:(

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You cannot shoot at Hungary, period!

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Originally Posted By: oban21
Hello Everybody! wave Im "new" to this form (vell relatyvly speaking,as a registered member at lest) and just wants to say hello to evrybody who shares admiration to and enjoymanet in this beautifull little sim of our Hungarian friend (and my "neibhor", Im from Serbia) Hpasp! wave2 GREAT WORK!!!thumbsup I have allready done some "achivements" biggrin by counqering this wonderfull, but little bit strange and hard-to-learn russian technique, in missions like "Linenbeaker II" by downing both SR-71's with dvina (boy that was hard!!!), which im going to post here if somebody's like to see it! Now, I heave encountered a real problem whit this Sim,also!It's about my favorith SA-5 Gammon! I just can't shoot a single missile in Hungarian scenario beacouse the firing buttons are complitly DEAD in it! I understand that it's a training mission whit no real rockets meant to be launch, as I've allredy play it whit "dvina`s" and "volkhov`s"! And it`s preatty annoying, mad I must say, beacouse there wasn`t a word about procedure for that mission in manual for sa-5! Neither was there anything that I could find about it on this forum. sigh So if anybody could help...I will appreciate it,greatly!;) See you guys and... sorry for bad English!:(


As this is quite an interesting question, I will answer it at the relevant topic...
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3675106/Re_S_200VE_Vega_E_SA_5B_Gammon.html#Post3675106

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A question:

When SAMSim stops generating info about the 3D AAR? When all targets gone or hit the ground?

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Originally Posted By: piston79
A question:

When SAMSim stops generating info about the 3D AAR? When all targets gone or hit the ground?


It collects the info in memory, and only writes it out into the disk when you stop the situation.

Last edited by Hpasp; 11/08/12 08:19 AM.

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hpasp... i guess i finde a little bug ...
i choose one A-6 with dm/cm jammer on ashuluk target.. as i see 2 missile explode near target but in AAR no where wrote hit or killed


aar

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Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
LA-17MV [Program-2] simulating A-6 Intruder

SA-75M Dvina


00:00, Practice target LA-17MV [Program-2] simulating A-6 Intruder launched

+++++++++++++++++
00:00:31, SNR ON AIR


00:02:57, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 72�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 130m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:03, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 68�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 145m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:08, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 64�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 163m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:19, Missile exploded on Channel-3

00:03:30, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 28�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 226m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:41, Missile exploded on Channel-3

00:03:47, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 357�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 260m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:04:40, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 293�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 107m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:04:51, Missile exploded on Channel-2

Total, SNR On Air Time: 4min 40sec



3daar
https://rapidshare.com/files/955032561/3DAAR-2002-12-07_22-57-01.gpx

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You attacked a jamming target? Why did not you enable I-87V? What was the fuse setting, it was K3, wasn't it? Why the target is at the same distance all the time? This should be solved by enabling I-87V, normal T/T mode is not sufficient.

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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
You attacked a jamming target? Why did not you enable I-87V? What was the fuse setting, it was K3, wasn't it? Why the target is at the same distance all the time? This should be solved by enabling I-87V, normal T/T mode is not sufficient.


SA-75M Dvina....

The problem is that 3Daar looks realy strange, please, compare it with the AAR. Look at where missiles exploded....

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Quote:
It collects the info in memory, and only writes it out into the disk when you stop the situation.


So, I have a problem... I made a try to repeat the Milang's situation described above. Used 3 missiles, first and second exploded near the target, it falls on the ground, waited untill third missile reached the range boresight and exploded, then stopped the SIM.
When checking the 3DAAR it stops when the target hits the ground (third missile ws on the halfway to the it's crash site).

Where could be the problem, somthing with computer's memory??? Or it just stopping collecting data after no target is available???

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Originally Posted By: piston79

SA-75M Dvina....
The problem is that 3Daar looks realy strange, please, compare it with the AAR. Look at where missiles exploded....


Sorry, faster thinking than reading nope

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I am suffering the same dessease.. wink

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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
You attacked a jamming target? Why did not you enable I-87V? What was the fuse setting, it was K3, wasn't it? Why the target is at the same distance all the time? This should be solved by enabling I-87V, normal T/T mode is not sufficient.


dude... i work with sa-2F not sa-2E... dvina do not armed with i-87v! banghead

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Originally Posted By: milang
hpasp... i guess i finde a little bug ...
i choose one A-6 with dm/cm jammer on ashuluk target.. as i see 2 missile explode near target but in AAR no where wrote hit or killed


aar

Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
LA-17MV [Program-2] simulating A-6 Intruder

SA-75M Dvina


00:00, Practice target LA-17MV [Program-2] simulating A-6 Intruder launched

+++++++++++++++++
00:00:31, SNR ON AIR


00:02:57, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 72�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 130m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:03, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 68�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 145m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:08, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 64�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 163m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:19, Missile exploded on Channel-3

00:03:30, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 28�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 226m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:41, Missile exploded on Channel-3

00:03:47, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 357�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 260m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:04:40, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 293�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 107m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:04:51, Missile exploded on Channel-2

Total, SNR On Air Time: 4min 40sec



3daar
https://rapidshare.com/files/955032561/3DAAR-2002-12-07_22-57-01.gpx


These missiles were popped by the ground echo.
You simply cannot engage targets reliably below 300m with radio proxy.
(check manual page 29)

This is why USU was developed for the Volhov.

The flags on the target path are bugs.


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Originally Posted By: milang
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
You attacked a jamming target? Why did not you enable I-87V? What was the fuse setting, it was K3, wasn't it? Why the target is at the same distance all the time? This should be solved by enabling I-87V, normal T/T mode is not sufficient.


dude... i work with sa-2F not sa-2E... dvina do not armed with i-87v! banghead


"Dude", I already corrected Alien Mastermind, no need to repeat and please keep your headbanging emotion for yourself... You are the guy which cannot handle "Dvina", not AlienMastermind... So stay quite! Thanks!

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Dvina is my favorite system, so please don't hurt her!

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But something that bugs in the emulator, well so and so clear without mistakes can not be more than one Program.

And I realized if tiak lower than 300 meters, use RAB po K3 at the 18 km distance.

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Sorry for the one that the Shilka will not be available at the test site in Ashuluk!

Could make a bit boring in Ashuluk I was wondering down a Tomahawk missile!

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Originally Posted By: milang

"Dude", I already corrected Alien Mastermind, no need to repeat and please keep your headbanging emotion for yourself... You are the guy which cannot handle "Dvina", not AlienMastermind... So stay quite! Thanks!


dont tell me what i should doing in here sweet boy.....

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2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Tripoli.

Targets:
Bab al-Aziziyah barracks - 6 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Murat Sidi Bilal Naval base - 3 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Tripoli AFB - 5 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 12 Mk.82/BSU-49 high-drag bombs

Supporting force:
6 A-7E Corsair-II SEAD (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
4 F-14A Tomcat CAP (VF-33 Starfighters, VF-102 Diamondbacks from the CV-66 USS America)
3 EF-111A Raven ECM
1 EA-6B Prowler ECM (VMAQ-2 Playboys from the CV-43 USS America)

SA-75M Dvina

00:00:36, F-111F Remit-31 bombed Bab al-Aziziyah barracks, with 4 GBU-10 LGB.

+++++++++++++++++
00:00:42, SNR ON AIR


00:01:00, A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:01:10, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 354�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 50m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:01:16, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 359�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 49m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:01:37, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-111F Remit-33 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 38m)

00:01:52, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 24�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 182m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:02:08, Missile exploded on Channel-1
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 105m)

00:02:13, A-7E Corsair-II No.2, VA-46 Clansmen launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:02:28, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 28km
Target azimuth: 0�
Target elevation: 4�
Target altitude: 2.1km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:19, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 352�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 50m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:43, SNR knocked out by HARM


00:03:45, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


00:03:46, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-111F Karma-51 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 39m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 3sec



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Originally Posted By: milang
Originally Posted By: milang

"Dude", I already corrected Alien Mastermind, no need to repeat and please keep your headbanging emotion for yourself... You are the guy which cannot handle "Dvina", not AlienMastermind... So stay quite! Thanks!


dont tell me what i should doing in here sweet boy.....

Click to reveal..
2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Tripoli.

Targets:
Bab al-Aziziyah barracks - 6 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Murat Sidi Bilal Naval base - 3 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 4 GBU-10 LGB
Tripoli AFB - 5 F-111F Aardvark, each armed with 12 Mk.82/BSU-49 high-drag bombs

Supporting force:
6 A-7E Corsair-II SEAD (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
4 F-14A Tomcat CAP (VF-33 Starfighters, VF-102 Diamondbacks from the CV-66 USS America)
3 EF-111A Raven ECM
1 EA-6B Prowler ECM (VMAQ-2 Playboys from the CV-43 USS America)

SA-75M Dvina

00:00:36, F-111F Remit-31 bombed Bab al-Aziziyah barracks, with 4 GBU-10 LGB.

+++++++++++++++++
00:00:42, SNR ON AIR


00:01:00, A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:01:10, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 354�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 50m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:01:16, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 359�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 49m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:01:37, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-111F Remit-33 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 38m)

00:01:52, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 24�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 182m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:02:08, Missile exploded on Channel-1
AGM-88 (HARM) High Speed Anti Radiation Missile No. 1 launched from A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 105m)

00:02:13, A-7E Corsair-II No.2, VA-46 Clansmen launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:02:28, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 28km
Target azimuth: 0�
Target elevation: 4�
Target altitude: 2.1km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:19, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 352�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 50m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:03:43, SNR knocked out by HARM


00:03:45, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


00:03:46, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-111F Karma-51 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 39m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 3sec




Please cool down emotions...
00:03:43, SNR knocked out by HARM
... Dvina after hit:




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