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I tried to do some tests with calucalted missile position (EPSILON PR. P. BETA switch in A screen) but no luck.
I noticed missiles deviate at at target also in azimuth.
The only way is to be able to use UPR/K, or shoot at a predicted point of the target's path (precise timming is a must!). As I posted earlier, the maximum parameter for a succesfull shot with V-755 missile is 20.5 km for target at 20 km. Strange that UPR/K methods doesn't work on 187/V (no matther that it calculates speed/parameter and heigh of the target, as it is obviouse on |Q| screen). Using IADS, as a some kind "antijamming" tool also doesn't work as we do not have fuul info on |Q| screen about target, so - no UPR possible. Anyway, in reality T/T mode is very limited against SR-71, so even what we do now is just a fiction...: From which base do you shoot? I am at the most eastern one. Both... No luck at all...
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I will try UPR or T/T to a preset range at about 50km (the closest point of SR-71 and maximum range of missiles) and shoot at about 100km. Maybe with a K3 fuse setting.
I will post results here.
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By using I87V. It is pretty accurate against high-altitude targets. I think it is pretty accurate against NON-MANEUVERING targets, no matter the heigh...  Indeed. But engaging even non-maneuvering jamming target that flies at low altitude is a big problem.
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After analyzing many 3DAAR's I think there is a THEORETICAL chance to hit it with a conventional warhead, but I do not think it is achievable otherways than with a lots of luck :-)
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Lonewolf: How have you managed to kill the SR-71 with a nuclear warhead? It is jamming so you do not have range information and V-760 15D requires K3 detonation. How SNR would know when to send K3 (while you are unable to track in range)? Using 15D should not be an issue...  ... sorry, but all physical evidence of the hit was vaporized. 
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Hpasp: I have already achieved it with a nuclear warhead :-) With a conventional in the moment of detonation target was too far :-(
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The hit shown by HPasp would have been lethal with 'only' the large conventional warhead.
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Hi guys, is anybody knew what's that? Here, a nice workplace  :
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Hi guys, is anybody knew what's that? IFF Interrogator, (NATO Codename: Score Board)
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Here, a nice workplace : Bit too much safety stamp, for my taste... BR.I-II-III is OK to be blocked in peacetime... ...but blocking the RPK-ANT switch, and the BR button is seems to be a little over cautious approach to me!!! 
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Just a nasty comment about "Speed Bumps"... I heard about a fighter pilot, who evaded a Dvina (SA-2F) missile above Vietnam... ... I heard about a fighter pilot, who evaded a Neva (SA-3B) missile above the Sinai... ... I heard about a fighter pilot, who evaded a Vega (SA-5B) missile above the Gulf of Sidra... ... but... I never heard about a fighter pilot, who could successfully avoid a mistakenly fired Patriot Missile, and... ... never heard about a one, who faced the S-300P in real war. 
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Bit too much safety stamp, for my taste... BR.I-II-III is OK to be blocked in peacetime... ...but blocking the RPK-ANT switch, and the BR button is seems to be a little over cautious approach to me!!! I was told that RPK-ANT is sealed because of radiosilence... Probably "BR" is about that also, because with it and "75 km" mode on, transmition is on the air too... Just a nasty comment about "Speed Bumps"... Dear Hpasp, don't take so seriouse this "Speed bump" issue... It's just a cocky behaviour of the fly boys... Personally for me, the succsesfull air defence organization is a mix of SA type missiles and fighters, joined with an efective IADS system... Air power never achieved a victory in a war on it's own alone. If the SAM's were so useless, they never will be developed at all... So, end of story!
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There is very little information about those incidents, however, the engagement distances were quite short, and it is quite probable that all involved aircraft were at cruising rather than combat speed. That's a very poor position to be attacked in - not much you can do in the time given. ... did you hear about the F-16 that stuck a HARM in a Patriot, though? I guess that doesn't -really- count as evasion. I never heard about a fighter pilot, who could successfully avoid a mistakenly fired Patriot Missile, and...
... never heard about a one, who faced the S-300P in real war.
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Actually it did ... at least twice in history that I am aware of, but the first time SAMs did not exist yet. Air power never achieved a victory in a war on it's own alone. If the SAM's were so useless, they never will be developed at all... So, end of story!
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Hi,
Which wars you have in mind?
Could you be more specific?
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There is very little information about those incidents, however, the engagement distances were quite short, and it is quite probable that all involved aircraft were at cruising rather than combat speed. That's a very poor position to be attacked in - not much you can do in the time given.
... did you hear about the F-16 that stuck a HARM in a Patriot, though? I guess that doesn't -really- count as evasion.
Good argument , probably the AN/TLQ-32 was not operated... SAM's always performed better than MiGs. SAM's were able to shot down U2's, B-52's, F-16's, F-117, while these plane types were never shot down by a MiG.
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Hi Hpasp, please look at this AAR - hit by a nuclear blast and immediatelly folowing killed by a nuclear blast without time and description. 9:20am 15th of April, 1986.
SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight.
S-75M3 Volkhov
00:01:18, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 110km
Target azimuth: 71�
Target elevation: 11�
Target altitude: 22,3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:01:23, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 106km
Target azimuth: 71�
Target elevation: 12�
Target altitude: 22,3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:01:32, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 98km
Target azimuth: 69�
Target elevation: 13�
Target altitude: 22,3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:02:30, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 54km
Target azimuth: 50�
Target elevation: 24�
Target altitude: 22,3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:02:35, Missile exploded on Channel-2
SR-71 Tromp-30 hit by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 2716m)
killed by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 3724m)
00:02:49, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 46km
Target azimuth: 34�
Target elevation: 28�
Target altitude: 22,3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:02:55, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 44km
Target azimuth: 28�
Target elevation: 30�
Target altitude: 22,3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:03:21, Missile exploded on Channel-1
00:03:37, Missile exploded on Channel-2
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After looking at 3DAAR it is clear. The killed thing without a description is my second missile :-)
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I think of SAMs more of a wall (if used properly) than a speed bump.
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Good argument , probably the AN/TLQ-32 was not operated... Hmm, my 2004 Jane's radars and electronic warfare systems says following: "The AN/TLQ-32 ARM-D was selected by the US Air Force (USAF) in March 1989, with a then year US$11.6 million contract for two `first article' examples being awarded during the following September. Testing of these began in May 1992 and full-scale production of 14 systems to protect USAF AN/TPS-75 radars began in December 1992. During 1996, additional TLQ-32 systems were delivered to the US Air National Guard" Neither USAF nor Air National Guard operates the Patriots, Army does...
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