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It�s our pleasure to continue our weekly updates in 2012!

From now on our Friday updates will include both information on Cliffs of Dover (when we have something exciting to reveal) as well as updates on the state of our not-yet-announced sequel.

We�ve already shown you a few screenshots from our next project in our pre-holiday update. You can see it here.


And now, the State of the Project address from project�s lead Ilya �Luthier� Shevchenko

We could have probably avoided a lot of bad blood if I had explained some basics earlier. So let�s take a step back and discuss the specifics of video game development as it exists today.

2012 is not 1999 or 2004. Hardware capabilities and community expectations grow at an exponential rate. In the golden early days of the series � over 10 years ago � we could have written an entire cool new feature in a week, rewritten a complex module in two, or created a new plane in a month. In those days we could offer you something new and exciting to look at every Friday!

Things are not the same today. A single plane model can take a year of work or more! Complex tasks such as changes to AI or flight model take many months of coding and testing. The industry reached this strange stage where the end result does not seem to match the amount of time that went into it. If you compare a late-year 1946 plane with a CoD aircraft, it�s hard to believe that one took a month and the other a year to make. Does it really look 12 times better?

If you drew a diagram of time spent on task vs perceived quality, the curve would be very, very sharp.

It is what it is. It takes a huge amount of time to rise above the bar set by the original Il-2. The illusion of time spent vs quality delivered affects not only the layman but us professional developers as well. We�ve underestimated the amount of time it could take to �do better� quite a few times. We could do it exactly like in Il-2 in a month. But we don�t want to do it like in IL-2. We want to do better. And to reach the next qualitative level you need to spend significantly more time. In some cases, a year instead of a month, or even worse.

Secondly, and I hope this part is obvious to most everyone, games are developed by teams of people with very different skills. They rarely intersect. For example, there are team members who are great at making 3D models of tanks. They can�t just switch over and make a cockpit one day. They�d need many months of retraining. And even more than that, a tank modeler can�t just come in one day and fix a memory leak in the network code. All he can really do is make great tank models regardless of what a network programmer or a map maker are doing.

I�m really hoping this will cut down on cries of �why do we need x when we still have the glaring problem of y!� Each team member does the thing he can do at the speed it can be done. �Hire more programmers� is not a solution either. If your plane can�t fly very fast, putting more pilots in the cockpit won�t do much for its top speed. Especially when your plane is a unique one-off model with controls and other systems quite unlike anything any pilot might have ever handled before.

So we address each issue at its own speed. Some bugs can be fixed very quickly, and they are. We can update a cockpit lever animation or fix a type in a matter of minutes. On the other hand, locating a memory leak can take many long months of dedicated work by some extremely qualified programmers. All bugs are not created equal.

So our general status report is very simple. Everyone is working very hard doing the same thing they were doing a month or a year ago. Graphical programmers are working on graphics. Network programmers are combing through the network code. Plane modelers are building 3D models of aircraft. No one stopped. Nothing was abandoned. On the contrary, the team continues to grow.

I also have to say that under these conditions reporting on intermediate progress is very hard. Say, we�ve measured FPS in the new graphics engine. The engine still has some problems, solving which will have a definite impact on FPS � whether positive or negative is impossible to say. However if we were to announce that in a mission X we�ve increased FPS by Y% on hardware Z, then regardless of the size of the WIP disclaimer, we�d be eating our words for years to come if they turned out to be too optimistic.

So we continue to work, quietly and privately.

The progress is a constant. Graphics are virtually complete. Almost all of the newly introduced bugs are squashed. There are lots of other improvements. The new project as well is advancing at a good pace.

I can�t say anything more than that however, this week like many other weeks. It�ll be ready when it�s ready. And as we all know, nothing good ever comes out of talking about it before it is ready.

PS And I�d like to point this out one more time. There is no conflict between the old and the new. We have one team that works on a single overall task, that is, improving the Il-2 series. Whether it is a new sound engine or a new graphics engine, we don�t make them for CoD or for the sequel. We make them for IL-2 Sturmovik.

(end of producer transmission)

We are also working on improving Russian and German localization with the help of the community.


And now let�s look into the future.

We are very proud to show off another flyable plane from the sequel, the famous Polikarpov I-16. It�s the mainstay of the Soviet air force in the early period of the war. It�s still a work in progress. We will reveal its cockpit at a later time.

Please tune in next week for screenshots of a damaged I-16 as well as something completely different!


From here... http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29368

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Im not sure what to say about that and what it means for CLOD, but i know my bet is safe.

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'The progress is a constant. Graphics are virtually complete. Almost all of the newly introduced bugs are squashed. There are lots of other improvements. The new project as well is advancing at a good pace.'

This sounds interesting, yet familiarily vague

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Well... "we're working on it"

Oookay.


"...late afternoon the Air Tasking Order came in [and] we found the A-10 part and we said, "We are going where!? We are doing what!?"

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What this means is be patient and don't listen to the vitriol in the Forums because it is meaningless, oh and two weeks, be sure.


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Meh.. They act like nobody has been able to release a game on new hardware.

The good news: They didn't announce that they are working on a sequel to the Battle of Moscow...(whew)


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Ive spent the last hour thinking about that update, and you what?...for the first time in a long long time im actually speechless.

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You know, I still have a "light at the end of the tunnel" view. I know there's going to be stuff that never gets in now (like enough shipping to do a BoB scenario), but L is right, there's so much work to be done, there's not much point in saying anything about the current iteration until something is actually fixed.

Love the Rata, but those pics are not impressive...

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Originally Posted By: Force10
Meh.. They act like nobody has been able to release a game on new hardware.


Yes ...but how many simulations have been released which are completely new?

The DCS series was supposed to see a new release every 9 months...

RoF took longer to develop than expected, had serious bugs, a DRM scheme that made the forums battlegrounds, and only had two flyable aircraft for the first nine-months or so...

The TD patches were supposed to be released every 3-4 months with 4.12 out near the beginning of last year (if I recall correctly)...

As for Jet Thunder...

The problem is that flight simulators represent complex dynamical systems - which have an exponential growth in bugs relative to a linear growth in code complexity. This means that comparisons with those FPS, RTS & RPGs that use generic/highly derivative game dynamics isn't really appropriate...

As for the graphics - it shouldn't be surprising that the engines take time to develop given that their rendering environments are so different from FPS & PRG games (which makes for inexperienced programmers) and that they have to efficiently free up resources for the underlying game-world computations (unlike dedicated visualisation software). So, from a technical perspective at least, these simulators really aren't games anymore.

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Originally Posted By: BKHZ_Furbs
...for the first time in a long long time im actually speechless.


Yeah, the Rata is beautiful isn't it?? wink

Seriously though - I'd appreciate it if the next patch keeps the Sutherlands from doing barrel roles...

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It isn't going to be fixed cheese, they introduced the memory leak with the last patch, if they cant find their own error in the 3 months since, what does that say about their level of understanding of their own code?
If that is true what chance do they have of fixing the host of other problems?

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Anyone understand what Luthier is saying here;

"We are also working on improving Russian and German localization with the help of the community"

Other than that its good to hear the graphics rewrite is near completion. Hopefully there is enough improved performance to help those people suffering from CTD's.


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CTDs are being caused by the memory leak Chivas and are nothing to do with performance.

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Originally Posted By: Avimimus
Seriously though - I'd appreciate it if the next patch keeps the Sutherlands from doing barrel roles...


Completely agree with you Av. I am a little concerned they keep mentioning the graphics optimize deal but have not mentioned any progress about the AI. The game runs pretty smooth for me (save for CTD's), it's the AI that keeps me from playing it (among other things)


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I read Luthier's post over on the banana forums....and again here. (Thanx Furbs)
I regret, that, I'm not speechless.

I comprehend Luthier's post as a digital rectal exam...with a "failed stimulus"...at the end.

I am now going outside to slam the car door on my fingers.... knockitoff

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I still get the feeling these guys are stalling for time, though I'm not sure what for.

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Originally Posted By: BKHZ_Furbs
..if they cant find their own error in the 3 months since, what does that say about their level of understanding of their own code?..

I got this thought some patches ago when "old bugs" seemed to reappear. I honestly think they lost control of the code base.
Not impressed, but I'll silently wait and see what comes out of this mess the next few years.

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Originally Posted By: BKHZ_Furbs
Ive spent the last hour thinking about that update, and you what?...for the first time in a long long time im actually speechless.


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I'm just curious Frey, is it ever possible for you to come into the extended discussion forum without launching a personal attack right out of the gate? I prefer the realistic look that Furb's and others give as opposed to the "Everything's great, if you don't like it than I am going to personally attack you" approach that you seem to embrace. The game's support has been a joke. Period.

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