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Hpasp #3490258 01/08/12 10:49 PM
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Thank you very much for the link!

I did not know!

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In the next bugfix version-923.1, the (Dvina/Volhov) launchers will have their elevation limited to a maximum of 75 degrees.
(The SNR has 65degree elevation angle at this case.)
If you elevate the SNR over 65 degree, the SINHR PU lamps will extinguish, and missiles cannot be launched.

If you accidentally switch the ANT/EKV selector to EKV, while your missiles are flying, that those will be lost.
(It was quite hard to find a block diagram of the SNR, to check if the ANT/EKV switch is only for transmit, or for transmit/receive also.)

I still thinking about high level modeling of the radio proxy fuse behavior, depending on target distance and radar cross section, utilizing firing range data.

Thanks for the bug-finds!
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In general, when the release of 923.1

Scheduled for February?

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I still thinking about high level modeling of the radio proxy fuse behavior, depending on target distance and radar cross section, utilizing firing range data.

That will be very dificult task, but you have one advantage, you are modeling both the targets and the missiles path... You've already show us missile oscilations (H1/H2) gadgets work! You have data for the probabilty against distance, you know angle of approaching between target and missile, attack angle of missile could be known (between his nose-to-mottor line of the missile and vector of her flight path), you have details about the war head, you have a lot of results from real "PUSK"-s in different conditions ( at least for S-75) and very important - you know real PVO officers!.... I think you could start with "Dvina" or "Volkhov" missiles. The joice is obviouse, because:
1. A lot of information.
2. Relativelly simple (at least Dvina).

I think you can tune the SIM and make a special, let's say "developer's" version, where you can use mission editor with AAR, where it would summarizes for you parameters in the point of impact, so you can check works of your models... (Now I am really angry I have no skills in moddeling... ). But let's say it - even now you gave the world the most "realistic to the switch" SAM sim! wink

PS. About the video of the univercity - did you thought to contact with any similar institution for information/modeling support?

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I played a bit with the firing range charts...

Against a MiG-17...
90% chance of detonation from radio proxy fuse, is at 73/116m (5E11/5H49)
50% chance of detonation from radio proxy fuse, is at 98/155m (5E11/5H49)
20% chance of detonation from radio proxy fuse, is at 110/175m (5E11/5H49)

Against a B-52, 20% chance of detonation from radio proxy fuse, is at 300/485m (5E11/5H49)
Against an F-4, 20% chance of detonation from radio proxy fuse, is at 170/270m (5E11/5H49)
Against an F-117, 20% chance of detonation from radio proxy fuse, is at 20/30m (5E11/5H49)

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The question of which means 73/116m (5E11/5H49).

This 73/116 meter or ....

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The question of which means 73/116m (5E11/5H49).
This 73/116 meter or ....


Using 5E11 radio-proximity fuse, 73m
Using 5H49 radio-proximity fuse, 116m


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(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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MIG 17 is not the target in the Simulator!

F-4, F-117, B-52 is yes, I agree, but not the MIG 17.

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Hpasp,

I'm wondering if we can have few scenarios of Chinese using S75 to down RB57. It's probably not challenging like shooting Gary Powers, but interesting never the less. What say you? wink

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I'm wondering if we can have few scenarios of Chinese using S75 to down RB57. It's probably not challenging like shooting Gary Powers, but interesting never the less. What say you?

I would need map of the event, location of the SAM batteries (preferably Google Earth Coordinates), and name of the Batteries.


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(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
I'm wondering if we can have few scenarios of Chinese using S75 to down RB57. It's probably not challenging like shooting Gary Powers, but interesting never the less. What say you?

I would need map of the event, location of the SAM batteries (preferably Google Earth Coordinates), and name of the Batteries.


That probably will be problematic to find. I'll try to search CIA but probably I will not find anything enough to model this.



To anyone interested, here's an interesting article on CIA website about U-2 flights
http://www.foia.cia.gov/docs/DOC_0001085869/DOC_0001085869.pdf

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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

Against an F-117, 20% chance of detonation from radio proxy fuse, is at 20/30m
(5E11/5H49)


Damn! aaa, could you leave fuses like they are in the moment? biggrin

Seriosly, how measured it against F-117?
Did Colonel Dani reveales information of the distance of the missile to F-117 in the moment of detonation?
As I know, the F-117 is steltiest in head-on, but from the side has bigger reflection, maybe that would be in our favor when we are going for a kill...

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I wonder when there will be a decision that will continue after the Dvina!

Whether or not the Shilka and Patriot do not know anything at all.

When will we know when a decision is not clear.

Many people have asked in the Russian forum!

"We wanted to look at the Patriot or the Shilka."

Nothing is known no plans at all.

At least roughly what is expected?

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And yet at the site of the CIA is not particularly better than they climb Keep track of all.

We must think a bit to have climbed!

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Nothing is known no plans at all.
At least roughly what is expected?


"Good things come to those who wait, but only things left behind by those who hustle."
� Abraham Lincoln


in meantime study!
here is great russian sam library;
http://historykpvo.narod2.ru/

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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
In the next bugfix version-923.1, the (Dvina/Volhov) launchers will have their elevation limited to a maximum of 75 degrees.
(The SNR has 65degree elevation angle at this case.)
If you elevate the SNR over 65 degree, the SINHR PU lamps will extinguish, and missiles cannot be launched.


I AM SERVING OF PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM!
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Ya hero, say a word to Politbiuro to have me released from Gulag.
BTW, not a single word of self-critics to be expected from me. Downing B-52s is BORING (nothing more than airliners) and from tactical point of view, of no use after they have released their payload.

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Comrade Hpasp, please release comrade Vintorez from Siberia and bring him back on active duty! We need every capable officer (and he sure is!) to defend the sky over Motherland!!!

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Don't you think they may... RELOAD AND COME BACK another day (night)?
And by the way, how high a loss ratio would be acceptable for the USAF?

Originally Posted By: vintorez
Downing B-52s is BORING (nothing more than airliners) and from tactical point of view, of no use after they have released their payload.

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Comrade Hpasp, please release comrade Vintorez from Siberia and bring him back on active duty! We need every capable officer (and he sure is!) to defend the sky over Motherland!!!

Only if he presents the after action report of the 26th of December, at least 3 B52 downed, using 6 missiles max.
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We are joking here, but it was really serious issue those days...


And by the way, how high a loss ratio would be acceptable for the USAF?

5% officially, but when they approached it, they planned missions well away from the SAM defended areas.

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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