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The question yet? In the December 26 bombing mission. How to understand what the purpose to intercept them there is a lot on the screen. There are so many! 
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Soooo, hahaha you got "The sorcerer stone", hahhaha :))) Thanks! Serious, very strange pattern of missile path, going up, then after "Blackbird", and the spinning one... MAybe Vietnamese disabled the selfdestruction mechanizm, and try to use them in their passive flight...
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Question? Dvina can intercept target of 100 meters, or 300 meters is the limit, it is difficult?  Say 500 hundred...
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The question yet? In the December 26 bombing mission. How to understand what the purpose to intercept them there is a lot on the screen. There are so many! That's the whole idea!!! To feel the difficulties of war against USAF!!!
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That is 100 meters can not be intercepted.
Yes, but many aircraft Dvina can not, can only one purpose, to be like?
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13:45 19th of December, 1972.
SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight number one.
SA-75M Dvina
25:54, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 80km
Target azimuth: 169�
Target elevation: 19�
Target altitude: 26,5km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
26:04, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 80km
Target azimuth: 167�
Target elevation: 21�
Target altitude: 29,6km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
26:11, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 80km
Target azimuth: 165�
Target elevation: 23�
Target altitude: 32,1km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
26:47, Missile exploded on Channel-2
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 84m)
26:59, Missile exploded on Channel-1
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 47m)
27:14, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 26km
Target azimuth: 126�
Target elevation: 58�
Target altitude: 22,5km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 4min 43sec
Who is your Daddy now? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!   In fact I did a HUGE mistake... Forgot to switch on "BR" mode, so made an "elektronik shot", so, the real distance must be calculated (should be about 73 km, but please check!). So, where is my medal???? 
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Nice shot there, piston! 
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Hpasp, what is "low PRF" / "high PRF" in CIA reports used to describe FAN SONG activity? 120/60 km modes?
Piston, so was it real kill or not? Did all the missiles fly in KS mode?
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Weasel fur, anyone? (Dvina: 4x F-105, 3x F-4, avoided 3 Shrikes) SNR on air for 9 minutes - I wonder, would I have survived?
SA-75M Dvina
27:33, B-52D Snow-01 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
27:33, B-52D Slate-01 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
27:33, B-52D Rust-01 bombed SAM Site VN-549.
27:33, B-52D Maroon-01 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
27:33, B-52D Amber-01 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
27:33, B-52D Black-01 bombed Kinh No Complex.
27:33, B-52D Ruby-01 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
27:33, B-52D Rainbow-01 bombed Kinh No Complex.
27:33, B-52D Pink-01 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
27:33, B-52D White-01 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
27:33, B-52D Ivory-01 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
27:39, B-52D Snow-02 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
27:39, B-52D Slate-02 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
27:39, B-52D Rust-02 bombed SAM Site VN-549.
27:39, B-52D Maroon-02 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
27:39, B-52D Amber-02 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
27:39, B-52D Black-02 bombed Kinh No Complex.
27:39, B-52D Ruby-02 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
27:39, B-52D Rainbow-02 bombed Kinh No Complex.
27:39, B-52D Pink-02 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
27:39, B-52D White-02 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
27:39, B-52D Ivory-02 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
28:06, B-52D Snow-03 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
28:06, B-52D Slate-03 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
28:06, B-52D Maroon-03 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
28:06, B-52D Amber-03 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
28:06, B-52D Black-03 bombed Kinh No Complex.
28:06, B-52D Ruby-03 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
28:06, B-52D Rainbow-03 bombed Kinh No Complex.
28:06, B-52D Pink-03 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
28:06, B-52D White-03 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
28:06, B-52D Ivory-03 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
28:23, B-52D Cream-01 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
28:33, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 233�
Target elevation: 18�
Target altitude: 3,9km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
28:33, B-52D Cream-02 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
28:39, F-105 Wild Weasel number 1 of pair-4 launched AGM-45 Shrike missile.
28:53, B-52D Cream-03 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
28:57, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-105 Wild Weasel number 1 of pair-4 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 27m)
29:35, B-52D Indigo-01 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
29:36, B-52D Indigo-02 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
29:39, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 350�
Target elevation: 16�
Target altitude: 4,9km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
29:39, B-52D Yellow-01 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
29:40, B-52D Indigo-03 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
29:41, B-52D Yellow-02 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
29:45, B-52D Yellow-03 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
29:54, B-52D Lilac-01 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
29:56, B-52D Lilac-02 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
29:56, B-52D Silver-01 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
29:57, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-4 number 2 of pair-1 blocking Noi Bai airfield killed by SAM. (miss distance: 52m)
29:57, B-52D Silver-02 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
29:58, B-52D Silver-03 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
30:08, B-52D Lilac-03 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
30:17, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 358�
Target elevation: 17�
Target altitude: 5,3km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
30:34, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-4 number 1 of pair-1 blocking Noi Bai airfield killed by SAM. (miss distance: 52m)
31:25, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 18km
Target azimuth: 200�
Target elevation: 12�
Target altitude: 3,9km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
31:43, B-52D Brown-01 bombed Kinh No Complex.
31:44, B-52D Brown-02 bombed Kinh No Complex.
31:48, B-52D Brown-03 bombed Kinh No Complex.
31:56, B-52D Ebony-01 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
31:56, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-105 Wild Weasel number 2 of pair-4 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 38m)
31:59, B-52D Ebony-02 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
32:02, B-52D Ebony-03 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
32:13, B-52D Red-01 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
32:15, B-52D Red-02 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
32:19, B-52D Red-03 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
33:23, B-52D Pinto-02 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
33:27, B-52D Pinto-01 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
33:34, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 323�
Target elevation: 16�
Target altitude: 3,9km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
33:39, F-105 Wild Weasel number 1 of pair-3 launched AGM-45 Shrike missile.
33:40, B-52D Pinto-03 bombed Hanoi Railroad Yard.
34:00, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-105 Wild Weasel number 1 of pair-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 27m)
34:31, B-52D Ash-01 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
34:32, B-52D Ash-02 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
34:36, B-52D Ash-03 bombed Duc Noi Railroad.
34:56, B-52D Smoke-01 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
34:57, B-52D Smoke-02 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
35:10, B-52D Gold-03 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
35:10, B-52D Smoke-03 bombed Giap Nhi Railroad.
35:17, B-52D Gold-02 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
35:27, B-52D Gold-01 bombed Van Dien Vehicle Yard.
35:50, B-52D Cobalt-02 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
36:05, B-52D Cobalt-01 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
36:09, B-52D Cobalt-03 bombed Hanoi Petroleum Storage.
39:36, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 301�
Target elevation: 12�
Target altitude: 3,9km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
40:07, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-105 Wild Weasel number 2 of pair-3 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 151m)
40:48, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 315�
Target elevation: 16�
Target altitude: 4,4km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
41:05, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-105 Wild Weasel number 2 of pair-3 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 30m)
44:31, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 25km
Target azimuth: 171�
Target elevation: 9�
Target altitude: 3,9km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
44:44, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 24km
Target azimuth: 171�
Target elevation: 9�
Target altitude: 3,9km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
47:43, F-105 Wild Weasel number 2 of pair-1 launched AGM-45 Shrike missile.
48:30, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 9km
Target azimuth: 105�
Target elevation: 10�
Target altitude: 1,8km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
48:48, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-4 number 2 of pair-1 blocking Zea Lam airfield killed by SAM. (miss distance: 27m)
49:56, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 8km
Target azimuth: 238�
Target elevation: 12�
Target altitude: 1,8km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
50:15, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 11km
Target azimuth: 242�
Target elevation: 4�
Target altitude: 915m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
50:29, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Total, SNR On Air Time: 9min 9sec
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My question!
As you can knock them all with noise at low altitudes.
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As Table 4 km can only target height, and as if the height of 1 km.
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Hpasp, what is "low PRF" / "high PRF" in CIA reports used to describe FAN SONG activity? 120/60 km modes?
Piston, so was it real kill or not? Did all the missiles fly in KS mode? Low PRF is 110/150 km mode, High PRF - 75/55 km. It is real, just when I shot first one, didn't hear the sound and understand I didn't switch to "Boynaya rabota"... So, second and third were in "Boynaya rabota", but due to my "elektronic shot" frightened "Habu", the AAR, shows only the distance of the target in the moment of the "blank shot"... Then my forth missile was lost, because falling "Habu" overshooted me, and I was too exited, and didn't realized I could wait a bit and shoot it in "dogon"... So, were is my medal, anyway? 
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Nice shot there, piston! Thank you, sir!
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You slaughter those Weasels...
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Yeah, Piston, my congratulations! Maybe Hpasp could present you with a medal... I'll try to folllow you using your ranging data.
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Those AAR in Vietnam are really great feats! My best feat and most thrilling mission so far (I'm only a recent SAM simulator player) was in the 1970-Cairo "War of Attrition" scenario and in the second mission (VI.30 - 18:18) while manning the 5/10 SAM Battery (SA-2F). In this mission I was able to shot down 3 A-4E and 1 F-4E! These guys and nasty as hell, they fly very low and it's hard to spot and shoot them with the ground clutter in the mix! Anyway here's the AAR of that mission: 18:18pm 30th of June 1970
First attack wave, against Cairo air defense.
Targets:
3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade
9th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade
10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade
11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade
Attacking Force:
8 F-4E Kurnass
8 A-4E Ahit
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54:52, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 23km
Target azimuth: 140�
Target elevation: 1�
Target altitude: 565m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)
55:00, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 21km
Target azimuth: 141�
Target elevation: 1�
Target altitude: 520m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
55:11, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 18km
Target azimuth: 141�
Target elevation: 1�
Target altitude: 452m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
55:23, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade hit by SAM. (miss distance: 187m)
55:28, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 135m)
55:36, Missile exploded on Channel-3
55:48, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 144�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 231m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
55:56, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 11km
Target azimuth: 144�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 171m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
56:06, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 5m)
56:12, Missile exploded on Channel-2
56:46, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 125�
Target elevation: 2�
Target altitude: 479m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
59:13, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 128�
Target elevation: 1�
Target altitude: 527m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)
59:27, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 120�
Target elevation: 1�
Target altitude: 212m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)
59:34, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-4E Kurnass number 4 of flight-3 attacking 9th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 91m)
59:44, Missile exploded on Channel-2
01:45, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 33km
Target azimuth: 85�
Target elevation: 1�
Target altitude: 795m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
02:49, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 45km
Target azimuth: 160�
Target elevation: 1�
Target altitude: 1,2km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
03:12, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 134�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 185m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
03:15, Missile exploded on Channel-1
03:32, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 122�
Target elevation: 0�
Target altitude: 185m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
03:46, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 4 of flight-4 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 7m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 11min 23sec
Oh BTW, I have one bug to report: In the 1970-Cairo "War of Attrition" scenario if you play the 3rd mission (VI.30 - 19:12) and 4th mission (VII.2 - 17:30) of that scenario while choosing the SA-2F SAM system, the player can't select a playable battery and if the player starts the mission the player will be set in a "imaginary" battery located somewhere north of Cairo and well outside the "action area". If the player selects the an SA-3 SAM system (which BTW are located away from the target/action area) or instead a SA-2E SAM system with the "Allow non-historical scenario" set to ON than everything works OK.
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Weasel fur, anyone?
(Dvina: 4x F-105, 3x F-4, avoided 3 Shrikes)
SNR on air for 9 minutes - I wonder, would I have survived?No!  You would have been immediately sent to GULAG!You launched your valuable missiles against invaluable targets, while your capital was bombed to ash. Your task is to DEFEND YOUR CAPITAL against the BOMBERS, by preventing the bombing!!!
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My best feat and most thrilling mission so far (I'm only a recent SAM simulator player) was in the 1970-Cairo "War of Attrition" scenario and in the second mission (VI.30 - 18:18) while manning the 5/10 SAM Battery (SA-2F).
In this mission I was able to shot down 3 A-4E and 1 F-4E! These guys and nasty as hell, they fly very low and it's hard to spot and shoot them with the ground clutter in the mix! Nice fight! Oh BTW, I have one bug to report:
In the 1970-Cairo "War of Attrition" scenario if you play the 3rd mission (VI.30 - 19:12) and 4th mission (VII.2 - 17:30) of that scenario while choosing the SA-2F SAM system, the player can't select a playable battery and if the player starts the mission the player will be set in a "imaginary" battery located somewhere north of Cairo and well outside the "action area".Good find! It will be corrected with the v923.1 bugfix version.
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Hi Hpasp, because I am not sent to GULAG, but don't have a medal for killing the "HABU" too, I am feeling I am not in the "main diagram" of High Command, so I'll do something to be noticed!!! (Obviously falling SR-71 from the sky didn't bring much attention). So, now I am going to ask for my reward, either I'll have it or the High Command will be pissed off and send me to be companion to comrade Vintorez in Siberia...  I've discused with you ( in very annoyng manner, I must admit), about 2 things in S-75... First was the sensitivity of radiofuses, second one was about limitation of SNR and launcher in epsilon, beta... "I've noticed that when I am tracking target with parameter near 0 km, (usually when hunting for "Habu" in over Hanoi), SNR and launchers reaches almmost 90 degrees, and still can launch a missile. The light "Sinhron PU" is lit all the time. I think that it should lit off when launcher hit 75 degree, and when SNR hit 60 degrees angle we shouldn't be able to make "Pusk"... Am I correct?" So, I want one of those to be included in next release ( which is easier, of course!) and I'll consider I have rewarded for my "Habu"... If my request is denied, send me to Siberia!!! P.S. "Shmel" radiofuse (on 11DKU) is weaker than 5E11. It should be simulate also in the future.. I told you - don't wait to PATRIOT and other borring new staff, you can tune those SA-X for months!
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Awesome shot with that Habu and thanks for picture of chart.
Regards
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