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It would be nice if Amazon US would get their **** together...

I understand your feelings, and I'm not cutting on you, so please don't take it like that.

However, for an A-10 (and let's face it, lots of people will be flying F-16, F-18, F-15, etc)...force feedback would be anti-immersive to me.

I'm sure it does more accurately represent flying a mechanical linkage aircraft, but for _me_ and military aircraft it would be somewhere between an annoyance and cheating (using FFB to judge g-loading in dogfighting).

The only time using FFB to "cheat" by using it to judge G-loading would be if you're flying a strict FBW aircraft like the F-16, where there is NO feedback at all. For example, the F-15 loads the stick pressure at 2.69lbs/G. I don't recall off the top of my head what the load is for 1G though.

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Now that's an easier price to pull the trigger on, but who knows if it will be on sale when they get some in stock. lol

True...although the # of non-strict-fbw aircraft is dwindling.

In the US arsenal, in terms of planes you'd dogfight in...the -15 CAS isan anachronism... -16, -18, -22, -35 are all FBW....as, if I'm not mistaken, is the mudhen.

Think the MiG-29 would still be appropriate with FFB...not sure on their big brothers in the Su- range.

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$407.76 us, out the door.
bought mine and the cougar MFD's. cant wait to get this up and running.

dang i could of saved $7.00 dollars over there. but at blt they show what there getting in stock what they have left before back order on the first shipment.

Can't wait to see pictures of the flight stick mechanism

I'd post the ones I took except:

a: I'm not sure I can right now and it's too late to get an answer back today
b: They wouldn't be flattering due to the sticky grease that's on the contact surfaces and spring.


We've been told we're free to show pics of anything that was shown at the media event, although I don't recall what was specifically shown of the mechanism. I've got a picture that shows...I'm not even sure what the proper term would be besides "model" of the throttle units...basically a beige palastic test-build of the throttle unit...and next to it is the "bottom" half of the joystick ball joint...but that really wouldn't help you much.

What exactly are you curious about? Perhaps I can describe and/or photo better for you...though I may need to get clarification on what can be said/shown if I don't recall seeing it in LA...though at this point...I'm not sure anything is gonna be "secret" for more than another week or so anyway.

Teej,

I think Ltfransky wants to see the ball joint and coil spring. It was not on display at the E3 media event, and it remains the Warthog's biggest mystery to the public and anyone who is not a developer or beta tester.

No doubt there are many others who want to see this as well.

OK...I've sent an email asking if I can show/describe the guts in detail yet. Will let y'all know.

Thanks Teej That would be great to see. Any news to you testers on the time frame for TARGET implementation or are we in a holding pattern for a little longer?

OK, last night I pulled the trigger!!! I called www.shopblt.com and they are legit, selling a pre-order US version of the product, great privacy policy, good return policy, fantastic shipping policy > $10 order = free shipping even for a >20Lb order like this, no tax unless in CT, oh and they charge the CC when they ship the order!

I placed my order and mine will be shipping out of PA since I'm on the east coast. They are getting in total 57 and mine is #33 (#22 out of PA) so I'll get one from the 1st shipment due to ship shortly after they get it on the 20th as I confirmed during my call, not only the price of 405.76 is real USD but the due date is stated from Guillemont/Thrustmaster. And since from PA, I'll get it pretty quick after they start shipping them. There was a $2 handling fee so total 407.76 delivered!!

I was wondering if someone could answer a question I have. I own the Thrustmaster Cougar and have to say that I don't use it as much as my Combatstick. The reason is that I find it hard on my wrist after prolonged time and most of all, I hate the way it controls your movements up/ down and left/ right. It almost feels like you are on rails. Anyway, does anyone know if this is the same with the A-10 stick?

I hope someone has an answer to this. Thanks.

Given that the ergos are 99% the same, I don't know how it would change for you.

It's worth setting up your flight environment with your wrist about level with your elbow - that's the angle the stick was designed for (not by TM...by General Dynamics back in the day...)

Teej,

I think you are getting the wrong idea from MeanGreen. He said that the Cougar "almost feels like you are on rails". That is a funtion of the independent X and Y gimbals in the Cougar base. MeanGreen, the Warthog does not have that gimbal system; it has a ball joint and a helical spring. As a result, there are no stick mechanics that tend to keep the Warthog moving in only one axis. The tension is also much lighter, although I still don't think it's a light as the CH sticks.

Gotcha Joe. I think you're right. I saw the "hurting his wrist" bit and figured he was flying with the stick up on a desk which will definitely lead to sore wrists.

Yes, MG...the stick is on a ball joint - you won't have that "thunk" going across the vertical and horizontal axes.

+1

For making it wors, now i'm also want to buy the MFD, since now we can program them with TARGET.
Speaking of which, i assume we will have a downloadable version so we can start using it with the Cougar on windows 7 right? Noh more install as an administrator or run in windows xp compatibility mode.

She'll give feedback and start shaking when you're really bleeding E, but of course that's not in the stick but more seat of the pants. So get one of those chairs haha.

I wish I could get a Viper throttle for this!

As it is I'm still on the fence about getting it. I'm kind of worried about the possible lack of quick Antenna Elev control. Or am I overlooking something on the throttle?

It would be great if thrustmaster release a new version of the F16 throttle with HEART technology. The joystick is already there with the Warthog, for the old F4 fans. Well, to dream does not hurt and is free!