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#1481962 - 08/01/03 01:06 PM Re: MK108 with Test08
Dietger Member Registered: 02/08/01 Loc: Konstanz Deutschland	Quote: Originally posted by butch2k: I have quite a bit of doc on the Auf C M-Geschoss including the aforementionned test of which here is an extract : "Die Grenzauftreffgeschwindigkeit, für did der zünder für MK108 noch anspricht, ist noch unsicher. Genaue untersuchungen insbesondere auch kleinen auftreffwinkeln und massnahmen zur verbesserung, erscheinen erforderlich. Die grenzauftreffgeschwindigkeit liegt für senkrechten auftreffwinkel bei 200 bis 250m/s. Für 200 und 250m/s mindestansprechgeschwindigkeit werden die kampfentfernungen je nach kampfhöhe und gegnergeschwindigkeit für z.Zt. an der front befindliche A-Geschoss und für das B-Geschoss wie folgt eingeschränkt" Here is my address Dietger : admin@allaboutwarfare.com The precision you mentionned is probably for the Auf A kind of Shell as with the C dispersion radius is about 30cm at 250m... MK108 reaches 250m/s @ 700m. its MK108 c2-6.1 from 20.7.44 Regards _________________________ -------------------- Falkster's Ju-88 fan site: http://www.ju88.de.tf
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#1481963 - 08/01/03 01:14 PM Re: MK108 with Test08
butch2k Member Registered: 01/11/01 Loc: Crash landed somewhere in Fran...	The document i quoted dates from January or february 1945 IIRC at which time you can clearly read that the shell still wasn't fully debugged and was not yet used by frontline units. _________________________ Visit the AAW II Military History Forums (registration required) at : http://www.allaboutwarfare.com Email me at : admin@allaboutwarfare.com
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#1481964 - 08/01/03 01:36 PM Re: MK108 with Test08
Dietger Member Registered: 02/08/01 Loc: Konstanz Deutschland	Quote: Originally posted by butch2k: The document i quoted dates from January or february 1945 IIRC at which time you can clearly read that the shell still wasn't fully debugged and was not yet used by frontline units. Understood. The doc I send you dates from 20.7.44 testing the 3cm M-Geschoss Patr. 108 m.-Zerl. (108 c 2 - 6.1 from 20.7.44) I understand that 200-250 m/sec is for a 90° impact. They wrote about the A type and a B type as well. ANd they mention more test are necessary for SMALER angles? _________________________ -------------------- Falkster's Ju-88 fan site: http://www.ju88.de.tf
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#1481965 - 08/01/03 01:38 PM Re: MK108 with Test08
Dietger Member Registered: 02/08/01 Loc: Konstanz Deutschland	Oleg mentioned angle had a gerat impact on "performance". That is probably those "SMALER ANGLES" that means less then 90° - ok I beginn to understand. $\:\)$ _________________________ -------------------- Falkster's Ju-88 fan site: http://www.ju88.de.tf
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#1481966 - 08/01/03 02:13 PM Re: MK108 with Test08
butch2k Member Registered: 01/11/01 Loc: Crash landed somewhere in Fran...	Small angle are generaly considered as under 30°, but i don't remember whether the full report precise the exact angle at which the problem begin. IIRC they are some tables along with the report mentionning the maximum at which to fire depending on the relative aircraft speed. I'll send you the full report...once i find it back... _________________________ Visit the AAW II Military History Forums (registration required) at : http://www.allaboutwarfare.com Email me at : admin@allaboutwarfare.com
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#1481967 - 08/01/03 02:56 PM Re: MK108 with Test08
Dietger Member Registered: 02/08/01 Loc: Konstanz Deutschland	Quote: Originally posted by butch2k: Small angle are generaly considered as under 30°, but i don't remember whether the full report precise the exact angle at which the problem begin. IIRC they are some tables along with the report mentionning the maximum at which to fire depending on the relative aircraft speed. I'll send you the full report...once i find it back... Thanks again Butch. Hopefully we can end the "MK108 war" once and for all. _________________________ -------------------- Falkster's Ju-88 fan site: http://www.ju88.de.tf
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#1481968 - 08/01/03 10:29 PM Re: MK108 with Test08
Mogster Member Registered: 01/08/02 Loc: England	Quote: Originally posted by VF-2 John Banks: I've read that they als ochanged some 3D models (cockpits?) in the current patch. I'd like to know if the P-47's gunsight has a higher poly count now? That gun sight is the worst one in the whole game. Did they fix the mirror bugs in the Hurri and P-40? From some screens that were posted in IB's patch feedback thread the P47 pit looked just the same. The gunsight still lacked polys and the red warning light on the top left of the dash looked still stuck on all the time. Seems like this one missed the boat. I was really hoping for some changes, especially with the West Front maps on the way. Oh well, maybe in the next patch $\:\($ MOG
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