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#142645 - 08/07/03 02:35 AM
Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Lifer
Registered: 10/25/99
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In Vancouver Canada, saw one of the new Evo’s at a car dealership this afternoon. It’s the only Evo-8 in Canada, I’m told. It was imported from the USA, where it’s legal to sell, but Canadian approval will take “a year” according to the dealer. He said that could mean “Dec ’03 to January ‘05”, depending on how long the Transport Canada (or whoever looks after that) takes… Anyway, this grey market import cost the buyer $65,000 Canadian, thanks to hassles of importation/red tape. The salesman said that the approved ones, once on the dealer floors, will be somewhere between 40-50K Canadian. He was sure it was going to be inside that bracket, but said it could be anywhere in there. $43K of loonies would probably sound about right to me. He said it would likely come in blue and black, definitely red, and the example was a factory yellow (police bait ?). The interior was decent, if a little plain. It was better than the 350Z interior, but not even close to the IS300 or G35 Infinity interiors. The headlights/tailights had the reflective backs to them with clear covers, just like the IS300 or Altezza I200, this seems to be a popular styling option today. Performance wise, it’s got a HUGE intercooler up front and an automatic water spray for it, truly frightening Brembos on all fours. It has twin turbos with little turbolag. Apparently the company offers engine upgrade kits to over 300hp that are covered by Mitsu warranty (yay!). It’s an AWD with 270 hp, for those who don’t know about it, and it’s been VERY popular among the performance Rally crowd. On a similar note, I saw a Viper GTS street race against a speedbike the other day, over the Burrard Street bridge…they were side to side the whole way! I saw the Viper guy had the back end break loose after a shift in the corner/sweeper (probably going from 2nd to 3rd gear?), he had to apply opposite lock…looked like tons of fun! Not smart to do at 8pm on a Saturday night, with 400,000 people out to see the fireworks though…dumb, plain dumb. But the car…!
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#142647 - 08/07/03 03:04 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Registered: 08/09/00
Loc: Columbus GA
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My friend just bought one yesterday. I have yet to ride in it, I told him to give me a ride after the motor is broken-in and he can put the hammer down.
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#142648 - 08/07/03 06:54 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Lifer
Registered: 10/25/99
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LOL!
Yep, that's the actual car I saw this afternoon! It's just at the west end of the Langley bypass. It actually showed up about a month ago or so at the dealer, but I hadn't had the chance to see it close 'till today. I think it's generating a lot of interest, 'cause two other guys were looking at it just as I was leaving, and the salesman was enthusiastic about it, said there's been lots of people come to see it.
11's ?!?! I never realised it was the same engine as the Eclipse, that explains a few things! That's a VERY tough engine, isn't it? It's the first 4 cylinder street car I know of that got into the low 10's, from amateur class drag racing.
Generally I see that as a good thing...except that I've driven a Talon (1992) and Laser Turbo (a '94 I think), and I was very surprised at significant turbolag in it. That lag actually prevented me from buying a Talon in '94, because during the lag, it has WAY less torque/power than even an ordinary grocery getter that your aunt putters about in. Once it spools up it's great, but I found that it could take as much as two full seconds to get, under some circumstances...
...so I wonder if the lag issues are much improved since then?
Yea, the salesman said two hairdryers, but I guess he was wrong (I haven't been totally up on the specs of this baby).
BTW: what do you mean by "twin scroll" though?
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#142653 - 08/07/03 06:29 PM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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an evo is one of the few cars I would consider purchasing. However, I like the older evo styling (5?) better than the new styling.
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#142655 - 08/07/03 07:19 PM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Bigfoot
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Registered: 12/16/00
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11's ?!?! I never realised it was the same engine as the Eclipse, that explains a few things! That's a VERY tough engine, isn't it? It's the first 4 cylinder street car I know of that got into the low 10's, from amateur class drag racing. Ah, sorry, it appears I was talking out of my ass. Previous Lancers had the same 4G63 as the DSMs but the Evo 5/6/7/8 use a new version of it, it's sort of "mirrored" - it sits differently in the engine bay and the flywheel comes out on the other side. The head is different as well. Some of the internals are basically the same but the mirrored configuration means that nothing from a DSM 4G63 will fit on the Evo 4G63 Their potential is pretty similar though. Look at that: http://www.ultimate-racing.com/Products/Evo8/EVO-11-91at11771mph.wmv The only mods are intake, exhaust, BOV, ported manifold, injectors/fuel management and cams.
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#142658 - 08/08/03 07:45 PM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Sierra Hotel
Registered: 02/15/00
Loc: Space Coast, USA
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Um, PV... 1) That's a 944. Not the greatest Porsche ever made. Might even qualify as the least. 2) No glass? No mirrors? No DOOR HANDLES?!?!??!
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#142659 - 08/08/03 08:59 PM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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1) I know. Still fun to drive.
2) It just rolled out of the paintbooth... and was having the windshield replaced. Give me a break :rolleyes:
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#142661 - 08/09/03 04:00 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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"1) That's a 944. Not the greatest Porsche ever made. Might even qualify as the least. "
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The plain 944 was not much to speak of.
The 944 Turbo was a different story altogether. Possibly the finest Porsche of the 1980s (excepting the 959, of course). Its performance was equal to or better than most 911 variants, and reliability and structural rigidity were WAY better.
It was such a package that Porshe limited sales to just a few years, as it stole away too many sales of the (more expensive) 911. The top-of-line 944 Turbo S only lasted about 2 years in the US, if I'm not mistaken.
But the 944 could never match the 911 for looks. It just looked way to much like an early-gen RX-7.
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#142662 - 08/09/03 10:47 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Lifer
Registered: 10/25/99
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Well, a bone stock 944 never had any respect from the sail yacht and country club set... ...but it was one of the very best handling sportscars of all time. In raw numbers, there might have been a few that exceeded it, but it was without a doubt tops in terms of predictable handling, even in severe oversteer. My own personal car, Nissan 240sx, seems to share very nearly the same layout and handling (I think Nissan was deliberatly trying to copy the 944 for the US market, and the 944 Turbo for the Japan market using the Sylvia engine). By contrast, the P 930 Turbo of the 80's was a handful, and especially when driven at the limit, you really needed serious racing skills to keep from wrapping yourself around a tree, or 18 wheel transport. Today's 996Turbo is a pussycat, handling wise (even though it's got way more performance). Also, when it comes to handling, the 914, although easily one of the ugliest CARS of all time (and by far the ugliest Porsche, to me), actually had exceptional handling, better than the 911 of the time. The ultra-light weight of it, and it's power when you added the Carrera engine (the 914-6), made it a track monster. One idea I've been toying with is getting a nice old 912 (basically a Porsche 911 from the early 70's, but using only a 4 cylinder instead of the 6), and putting in a "street-rod" VW Bug motor. They can be had from 180 to 225 hp before power adders. Thing is, a turnkey motor like that seems to be really expensive, like $8000 for only 190hp...so I'm not very sure this is worth it. But, it would be a real classic Porsche, weigh the same as a CRX, rear engine, better handling than the 911 (because the engine is lighter), and 190hp. That would give pretty darn good performance.
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#142663 - 08/09/03 01:31 PM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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the 914 is the squarish, flat-looking porsche, correct?
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#142664 - 08/09/03 01:31 PM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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the 914 is the squarish, flat-looking porsche, correct?
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#142670 - 08/12/03 01:49 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Bigfoot
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Registered: 12/16/00
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Jesus, that thing is hideous. About the EVO, guy I know in NY just test drove one, his comments: First off the car is nice inside, the seats are cool, but the shifter sucks. when you are in the showroom it feels ok, but on the road it is too far back...I'm used to the shifter being forward, more close to the radio, this one is like by your hip. When shifting to second (gears towards the back) you almost lose the shift. Also with the steering wheel in a comfortable position I couldn't see the tachometer. But any way I step on the gas and the car is quick, kind of what I expected, but nothing earth shattering. It has a smooth power band. What I didn't like though was that it stuttered alot when out of boost, I know the car was modified but it shouldn't stutter like that and I know the car had a full exhaust, but it sounded like shit...maybe I'm just spoiled by the sound of Japanese 6 cylinders.
Now for the worst part...the car rose like absolute shit. I couldn't spend more than an hour in this car. I was already getting a headache. And I don't want to hear people telling me how )Oh, it's a rally car, it should feel like that". NO IT SHOULDN'T. That Ford Sierra I had was a rally car with a fully adjustable suspension and it didn't ride that hard PLUS the Ford was faster, handled better, and was 12 years older! This is a stock setup and it was unbearable. My Dad's old Corvette which had a suspension for road racing that felt like a truck was more comfortable than this. I mean if this was your second car, then fine, but for driving to work or any duration of time, forget it. Now, the steering was really good and very quick, but it tended to wander on the parkway, although I didn't mind that.
So overall, I was expecting to drive this and be convinced that this would be my next car. And after two minutes I couldn't wait to get out of it. I can see that it is definetly a good car for the track, but it is horrible to ride in as a daily driver. What's funny is I have driven cars that are faster and handle better and they would still be a good daily driving car. Plus when you are driving it it doesn't really feel like anything, the interior gets bland fast and the ride makes it lose it's appeal even that much quicker. I guess I am just very dissapointed in the car. Although I am glad I did drive it and eliminate it from my choices of cars. Caveat emptor.
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#142671 - 08/12/03 02:17 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Registered: 04/21/01
Loc: To, Canada
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Ewww!!! 50K for that pos?
It looks like a stylized Honda Civic/Mitsubishi Lancer!! The styling is so stuck in the late 90s.
Okay the engine matters, but styling is a big part of defining how cutting edge a car is.
Id take a Beamer or G35 over that Japanese teen-mobile any day!
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#142672 - 08/12/03 08:19 PM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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Any reviews for an RX-8?
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#142676 - 08/13/03 12:19 AM
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Bigfoot
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Registered: 12/16/00
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Oh, and it looks like we won't be getting the current EVO after all. Was posted in the Toronto Star recently. Not available in Canada, I'm sorry to report.
It seems the below-bumper intercooler on this 271 horsepower all-wheel-drive ball of fire sits directly in harm's way for the Canadian front crash test, which is more stringent than that used by the United States.
Pierre Gagnon, president and CEO of Mitsubishi's operations in North America, told me three days ago that he would love to have the Evolution VIII — as it's called in some markets, but not U.S. where it's just plain Evolution — in Canada.
But he said it would be very expensive to re-engineer the current car for the small number of units they'd sell in Canada, and that we'll probably have to wait until the next-generation Lancer arrives.
That schedule isn't cast in stone, but it's probably calendar year 2006 (model year 2007) for the bread-and-butter cars, with the next Evo — Evo IX, anyone? — perhaps coming along several months to a year later.
I don't get it, it's not like a FMIC will crush your legs
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#142677 - 08/13/03 01:02 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Lifer
Registered: 10/25/99
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Hmm. Well, the Evo isn't exactly lightweight. It isn't got much displacement either. $50k is too much for it, I'm thinking. I tend to agree that the G35, either sedan or coupe is a better, nicer car. It might not make an appearance with CARS rally series, but anyway. I think that Toyota should come out with an Eaton charger for it's IS300, boost it to around 333hp, say while still under warranty. That could be fun!
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#142678 - 08/13/03 05:41 AM
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Anonymous
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What is all this talk of $50k Evos?
Here in Columbia, SC, they have a few of them on the lot, all priced at $30,280.
The car looks especially good in blue, but for the money, I think I would go with a 350Z (and have a little dough left over for performance mods).
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#142679 - 08/13/03 05:55 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Lifer
Registered: 01/15/01
Loc: Canada
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30k USD = 50 K CDN.
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#142680 - 08/13/03 06:26 AM
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Registered: 08/10/01
Loc: Arizona
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If I were into this little pocket-rocket scene, I'd rather save a little bit more for the WRX STi or even get a cheaper SRT-4 and use the remaining 10k for mods ( even though I hear they are actually going for 23k at some dealerships ).
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#142681 - 08/13/03 06:36 AM
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Registered: 02/04/01
Loc: Calgary, AB, Canada
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Originally posted by PV: Any reviews for an RX-8? It can do 0-60 in mid 5s, but you will have to do a high rev (8000 rpm???)clutch drop to launch that fast. It lack low end torque from what I read.
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#142682 - 08/13/03 06:47 AM
Re: Saw the Lancer Evo 8 today…
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Lifer
Registered: 10/25/99
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Thanks Paul!
I don't know, I have disliked the Subarus ever since I saw what a poor latteral grip they actually do. The new/current North American STI, for instance, can apparently only do 0.86 G's latteral. The Evo can do about 0.96 or so, if I remember right. That's a big difference.
For instance, the 1991 GMC "Syclone" super-truck would do about .86 G's. The Corvette, stock from the factory in street form, typically is around 0.98 . An autocross prepped Miata or CRX, can do over 1.15 G's. A bone stock Integra GSR is about 0.94, and a stock ITR probably around 0.99 or so.
I suspect that my own car, a basically stock 240sx, with really good rubber, probably does 0.90 to 0.93 about. So for me to settle on less is rediculous. Especially when I got my current car for probably the insurance cost of the STI.
I've seen today that there are supercharger kits for the IS300. Nice car, just needed more power, like 270hp at the wheels. Fortunately, this is what the kit offers. Reviewers have been saying the IS has the handling feel of a pure sportscar...a good thing if you ask me.
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#142685 - 08/22/03 07:34 PM
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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Ajax, do you use an anti-lag system?
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#142687 - 08/22/03 09:13 PM
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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Ajax, Are you familiar with Libra Racing or Vermont Sports Car?
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#142690 - 09/15/03 04:01 AM
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Registered: 02/09/01
Loc: Vermont, USA
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just finished a lot of work on my car. Here are some new pics car pics ajax, what is your shop called again? Camo Tuning?
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