"Strictly for conversation sake"

Can any of you folks with scale documentation tell me the approximate distance (in feet please) from the leading edge of the wing to the front of the spinner, or prop hub on the P-51 and the P-47?

I'd like to be able to "roughly" figure out the length of the muzzle flash on both these planes. My guess is about 8 feet long, give or take a foot.

I figure that if we can't get Oleg to see the light on the muzzel flash, perhaps we could get him to make them a bit more "scale like" in size.

Why? Like alot of folks, I think the muzzel blast in FB and IL-2 as it is now, is very "arcade" and I base that on several bits of film I've recently looked at, including "Ike" him self, test firing the Guns of a P-47, as well as some stills of the Spitfires guns being sighted in, none of which showed any muzzel flash what so ever.

I know, I know, Olegs has said he won't change them, which I think is just plain stubborness and nothing more.

I also know it's been beaten to death in this and every other forum, but maybe he'd compromise and make them smaller if we came at it from "the length of the muzzel flash" angle.

I'll post these as examples.

http://home.alltel.net/dhasso/Pics/P47SM.gif

http://home.alltel.net/dhasso/Pics/P51SM.gif

I could post pics of another dozen or more FB ac, but these demonstrate the muzzle flash just fine.

As we all know, the effect is unrealistically modeled and in the case of ac that are equipped with nose guns the flash can be absolutely blinding. The 109's with cannon are prime examples. I hate to think what the upcoming P-38 will be like.

Anyway, as suggested above maybe a compromised could be reached where the effect is present, but toned down as I've shown in the pic's.

(Transfered info to the above)

This topic has been beaten to death several times already. The developer likes his cartoon flashes and is not going to change them, ever. That's been said so many times. Too bad, as those huge muzzle "explosions" are really redicilous.

I wish you luck though

Good luck, you will need it.

Two things wrong in Il-2/FB for which OM is too mulish to change/fix > the arcade muzzle flash and the pilot's view in the Fw190.

heck, i like the muzzel flash too---or rather just a bit of it. i don't however like being blinded from the huge laser-like hell-storm flashes coming out of FB gun and cannon barrels though.

:-(

Beo

I've seen an M2HB fire, and can say that it did produce a flash, but in daylight, it is nothing like this. It was big, (There are several clips on the site for the annual Knobb Creek KY annual MGshoot of .50s and other MGs firing at night.

Ingame, we get the "look" of night time flash, in the day. (Though still way too big) In that example, the P47 flash is nearly a quarter the length of the plane! Even a howitzer firing in daylight does not create such a noticable, solid looking flash. The human eye just doesn't process quick flashes in daylight that well... they are drowned out by ambient light.

I have never seen any flame while firing a .50 cal in real life during the day. Never fired at night so couldn't tell how it is....sure they seem way exaggerated in the sim, but they don't really bother me.

a howitzer firing in daylight does not create such a noticable, solid looking flash

Maybe muzzle flash suppression is a factor?

Ming

The Germans did a lousy job designing the flash suppressors on the MG17 and MG131 if FB is anything to go by then.

Surely the flashes are big, but they exist on about 1-3 milliseconds thus making them invisible to human eye on daylight.

During night time one can see them but they are not affecting nightvision due to short duration.

I think this is one of those evergreen topics and by looking at the responses from development team, we will continue fighting in cowboy style