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Same here BadOgre, OFF is really impressive but in the end left me saddened that RB3d doesn't (to my knowledge) support TrackIR and will probably look like utter crap on my ATI card if I could even actually get it to run. I really miss flight sims that make you feel like you're there and don't take forever to get you into battle.

Hello,
mlc82,
i got RB3d to work really fine on my ATI 9600 recently, and am really enjoying a new game in 1280x1024 resolution with almost photorealistic planes (AMD Sempron 3000+, 1Gb Ram, ATI Radeon 9600 pro 256 mb RAM). I installed the Glide wrapper version 1.40+ (to emulate glide mode on my ATI), installed the HASP patch and the OTE (one for planes and stuff, other for terrain) and found out RB does not have to hide regarding more modern flight sims. No track IR, ok. New planes, crates like the Caudron G3 or the Farman kites - simply great!

There is no commercial flight sim around that deals with WW1 - maybe in the future ("OFF" and "Knights of the sky", but ...).

Bad Ogre, you may know me as "Catfish" in the Wings of valour forums, i am currently giving OFF a try, but it already is limited to the CFS3 engine and exterior views, which i personally hate. But since its free ... (i removed CFS3 from my Harddrive some 5 years ago, after two or three days of flying - this was !"§$%&/()

Have fun, S!
Narsinha/Catfish

"with almost photorealistic planes" - i would agree that from an external view the planes look outstanding...

but the in cockpit view, which is where i spend about 99% of my time (as it is a sim...), they do not look so good. do i have something set wrong?

Your instruments should be set to Authentic in the Realism Settings. If this is not the problem, can you describe how the cockpit does not look right?

On a whimsy I put my old Voodoo 2 beside my GeForce 6800 Ultra BFG and lo and behold, it works a treat in Win XP. No more glide wrappers with fuzzy blocks for cursors and great graphics as there were intended. I can even alt-tab out of RB without crashing the game. I am now about to try SLI with a couple of Voodoo cards in tandem to boost fps. It's the best of both worlds; I can fly RB with my MSFFB2 and then IL-2 with my Cougar and never have to touch a profile.

RB dead? Well it smells a bit funny, but that's just because so many old farts fly it.

~E!~
D_T

S!

The report of the death of Red Baron 3D is a gross exaggeration. The fact is that RB3D is alive and kicking. During the last year we have e.g. seen the release of two new MMP patches: War of Poland 1920, http://www.1pl.boo.pl/wop1920e.htm, and the Cold War, http://home.hetnet.nl/~lord.e.frauenfelder/.

WOP 1920 is a stand alone patch dedicated to the war between Republic of Poland and Soviet Union between 1919/20, whereas The Cold War is a remake of the original WW1 game scenario.

Both patches have modified flight models, new sets of flyable planes, flyable 2-seaters with working rear gunner, and in Cold War you can even fly the big bombers HP 400 and Gotha.

There is also at least one more major patch in the pipeline: Revenge of the Jastas III by Baron Von Helton, http://www.jamrom.com/bvh/index.htm.

Finally, if you visit the forum at http://www.wings-of-valor.net, the meeting place of the RB3D multiplayer community, you will also find that the discussions are as lively as they have ever been ...


Swordfish

Hello,
what can i say - i was one of the first to buy Red Baron II when it came out. This sim has sure won my heart, from aching material, coughing pilots during hard turns, screaming pilots when shot and dropping from planes, to newspaper updates, short film sequences, stuttering engines, broken propellors after ramming (but still be able to glide and make an emergency landing) and whatnot. I miss those details in all other sims i ever had (IL2 comes near but is no WW1 sim).
I just gave RB3 a go again and i'm stunned. What's more just today the "Full canvas jacket" patch was in my letter box, i found myself staring at cockpits that really deserve that name. No Track IR, ok. If i would sit in my bureau packed like a cyborg i guess my wife would probably get a laugh out of it before they were coming to take me away. This kind of hardware cyber immersion gizzmoe surely is not everybody's cup of tea. If i turn my head 90 degrees to the right i want to see what's there, not at a view of say 20 degrees. Only thing i would get would be a real 3d view, so i'd be able to really evaluate distance. Personal opinion again, ok.
Greetings,
Narsinha/Catfish

My prefernce is MMP, although a really hot AI in SP with a "realistic" FM, say like Mig Alley would make that more interesting, especially with the multi-seat capability described with OFF. But it would also be amazing to have a multi-seat bomber function in MMP with serious, complex targets to defend by air and groundfire, or to escort to and into the target with "high" alt bombing from Gothas included. It is not difficult to imagine the excitement of that aspect blended in with an excellent FM/DM for MMP.

RB3D MMP is undoubtably laced with some clever cheats in MMP because there is a handful of folks who are not only exceptional pilots who can headshoot or flame you every time, but most telling, whose planes are exceptionally strong and take damage far better than yours. The aces of aces are great pilots and shots, but there is a distinction between them and the cheaters. Some great add-on security, but it has holes.

But it is hard to imagine that there won't be a sim arrive or develop, maybe OFF (I bet your will get your FM really good with a little time), which has everything that is the best of RB3D and best of graphics, with the most realistic FM/DM, on a modern platform and some type of manned security for the MMP servers. If the right business plan can be found to actually have a full time live security guru team (or a combination of AI security with a real person on call and/or a first class volunteer security team), then you would have the whole package.

Looking forward to trying OFF. RB3D is always fun and is easy to get into the server and out for those "stolen moments" of flying WWI combat.

Swamp

Hello,
if someone asks if RB is dead he should take a look at the SimHQ review here, especially those new graphics. Try a look here:

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_073c.html

And remember RedBaron and most patches are now free ... not the Canvas jacket one though. With this graphics and flight model RB shines even without Track IR ...
Yes, i'm currently trying out OFF, so i know what i'm talking about.
Greetings,
Catfish

Red Baron will never die, frankly OFF is disapointing as the FM is very much like NFM of Red Baron except the wings ripping off.

I don't think OFF is the replacement in its current form. It has a long way to go to reach realistic FM, just being able to out turn a dr1 AI with an SE5a is laughable!

Richthofen Skies may replace it one day but again I doubt it as RS goes the other end of the table and looks to recreate realisim at the cost of playability.

Nope Red Baron will live for another 3-5 years, if no other reason then its so bloody easy to hack the game that it will draw the flies.

Having bought the hype over OFF I went out and bought CFS3 (which actually isn't as bad as I thought) and downloaded the various components.

It has a LONG way to go before they will be able to replicate the immersion of RB. RB was DESIGNED to be an immersive sim from day one. (Sierra folks really had a talent for this in their heyday. Witness the AOE and AOTP sims as well.)

OFF is a fine product and will no doubt get better, but it will be awhile before I delete my RB install.