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I've spent a good part of today and yesterday reading short biographies of famous fighter aces from WWI and WWII and what surprised me was how many of them died from non-combat causes. There are probably more examples but these are the aces I read about so far:
Werner Molders - Died when the HE-111 he was on crashed while attempting to land.
James McCudden - Died while hot-dogging in his SE5 shortly after take off.
Hans-Joachim Marseille - Engine malfunction and died while trying to bail out.
Dick Bong - Died during takeoff while test flying the P-80 in California.
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Gerhard Barkhorn, the number 2 ace, was killed in an auto accident in the 1980s
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I would remove Marseille. He was on a combat mission.
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There was also a Japanese ace with 60+ kills who died when the transport aircraft he was traveling in was shot down.
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Top Canadian, George Beurling. Very interesting man and pilot. In 1948, Beurling was recruited to fly P-51 Mustangs for the Israeli Air Force. After a test flight, Beurling fatally crashed his Noorduyn Norseman transport aircraft while landing at Aeroporto dell'Urbe in Rome on 20 May 1948.
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Joseph C. McConnell was killed test flying the F-86H.
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I wasn’t aware of the connection of his death and Chuck Yeager.
“ In 1954, he was temporarily assigned to the service test program for the new F-86H Sabre. This was the last and most powerful version of the Sabre, and was intended to be a nuclear-capable fighter-bomber. On 25 August 1954, while testing the fifth production F-86H-1-NA (serial number 52-1981) at Edwards Air Force Base, McConnell was killed in a crash near the base following a control malfunction.[7] The cause of the accident was attributed to an incorrectly installed bolt. Then-Major Chuck Yeager was assigned to investigate the crash and replicated the malfunction at a much higher altitude. This height advantage allowed him to safely regain control of the aircraft before it hit the desert floor.”
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I wasn’t aware of the connection of his death and Chuck Yeager.
“ In 1954, he was temporarily assigned to the service test program for the new F-86H Sabre. This was the last and most powerful version of the Sabre, and was intended to be a nuclear-capable fighter-bomber. On 25 August 1954, while testing the fifth production F-86H-1-NA (serial number 52-1981) at Edwards Air Force Base, McConnell was killed in a crash near the base following a control malfunction.[7] The cause of the accident was attributed to an incorrectly installed bolt. Then-Major Chuck Yeager was assigned to investigate the crash and replicated the malfunction at a much higher altitude. This height advantage allowed him to safely regain control of the aircraft before it hit the desert floor.” I believe it was either this accident or a similar one involving the F-104 that was traced back to the factory where an assembly line worker had decided to insert a bolt in the opposite direction called for by the specs because doing so was easier.
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Then-Major Chuck Yeager was assigned to investigate the crash and replicated the malfunction at a much higher altitude. This height advantage allowed him to safely regain control of the aircraft before it hit the desert floor.” And that's just how things were done; find out and fix it -- no endless theoretical studies and examination Also goes to show the balls on men like Yeager. He was going to duplicate a known-deadly manoeuvre with the only hope that additional altitude might help him survive.
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I would remove Marseille. He was on a combat mission. I included Marseille because his death was not due to any enemy action. It was due to a faulty engine design of the BF109 variant that he was flying at the time and also his mis-judgement on when to bail out of the plane which caused his body to slam into the rear tail.
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Then-Major Chuck Yeager was assigned to investigate the crash and replicated the malfunction at a much higher altitude. This height advantage allowed him to safely regain control of the aircraft before it hit the desert floor.” And that's just how things were done; find out and fix it -- no endless theoretical studies and examination Also goes to show the balls on men like Yeager. He was going to duplicate a known-deadly manoeuvre with the only hope that additional altitude might help him survive. They don't make men like him anymore. Balls of steel.
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Many WWI pilots also died in crashes or mid-airs.
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