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Apple Vision Pro is out, and the idiots are everywhere:

https://www.zerohedge.com/technolog...a-vision-pro-early-adopters-spotted-wild

Who has spotted one?

Anyone take the plunge and... buy a pro?

All my VR activities take place inside my home. Like civilized folk.

I don't even know what it does but I'm absolutely positive I don't need or want one.

On the way back to the office I just drove through the Clemson University campus. It is a nice warm day and the beautiful young ladies were out walking between classes. Four of them were standing at a corner waiting to cross the street and a young guy was walking up the sidewalk toward them. He was wearing big bulky headphones.... I thought "Dude, take those off and talk to those girls!" And then I noticed all the girls, and practically everyone else on campus, has earbuds in their ears and/or their face glued to their phone.

I'm so glad these things weren't around when I was 18-20 years old.

It looks like they're making it way too easy to have them stolen.

I predict it may go into obscurity as did 'Google Glass'

Eh, there's always someone who will walk about looking like that, but it's far from everyone

Maybe when they start to look like ordinary sunglasses.

As an aside, I read an interesting observation the other day - as ubiquitous and essential as modern phones have become, they never appear in dreams. I don't know about never, but I know I never have dreamt of my phone, and neither has anyone I've asked.

Somebody should make a Frogger app for it so they can play in traffic. LOL

They're the Gargoyles from Snow Crash.

I don't think this (spatial computing) is going away.

The Apple Vision Pro is too pricey for a lot of people, but that also gives it cache' with people that have money to burn on seeking status. The form factor is off-putting to many, but again, for some who seek attention that is another plus. And Apple is a marketing force to be reckoned with.

For folks who want something more in line with glasses that don't depart so far from current eyewear fashion, there is the Xreal (formerly Nreal) Air 2 Ultra coming out soon. Xreal already has Augmented Reality in the same form factor (Xreal Air 2 Pro), but the Ultra looks to be getting into the same sort of additional capabilities as the Apple Vision Pro without resorting to the goggles form.

Apple Vision Pro vs Xreal Air 2 Ultra – how are they different?

I'm really curious to see how well it works if somebody tries the Xreal Air 2 Ultra with DCS world. I haven't been on Eagle Dynamics site to see if anyone has tried it with the Xreal Air Pro version yet. Xreal's Beam add-on pretty much enable's interfacing the glasses to most computing platforms.

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As for walking around in a city... I suspect we will start seeing reports of people getting mugged for the Apple Vision Pro. People have done worse for less expensive shoes after all.

However good full self driving has gotten for vehicles, it hasn't reached the point where people should be goofing around with distracting games while behind the wheel. Self-driving may eventually reach a point of effectiveness and public acceptance to allow that, but we are not there yet.

Personally, I don't favor being that distracted from my surroundings while out in public. I don't even block my hearing in public, let alone my vision.

Perhaps when they are contact lens inserts. Then, maybe...

As for dreams, I cannot recall ever having a phone in my dreams.

I have a feeling that a few are gonna be squashed, real soon...

@CyBerkut, I think the robberies will be a thing. $3500.00+ in hardware on the head? Yeah. That's getting stolen.

I am sure Apple has encryption blah blah blah tracking to lock them down, but that hasn't stopped folks in the past from unlocking other devices. And besides, the field of view obstruction will make them easy prey for their wallets, phones, and other stuff that isn't locked down.

I don't have one don't want one, but why would I judge anyone who does? I don't consult others about how I go about my business in public.

I do quite regularly, and I find it really strange because I hate phones and rarely have mine on me. But maybe that's the actual reason because the recurring dream is I'm trying to use my phone and the OS is just some insanely cryptic mess that I can't figure out, like an extreme exaggeration of how it is in real life for me (I VERY strongly prefer using a PC for my digital life). You know those dreams you get when you have the flu or a fever? Where you're trying to do something or another and you Just Can't Do It? It's like that.

It's not that I can't operate a phone, I just find them incredibly annoying compared to a computer...

Another strange one - I almost never swim. I think I've swam twice in the past 20 years. Yet I also have a recurring dream of jumping into some water, wearing shorts, and realizing my phone is in my pocket. This one REALLY confuses me, because that would seem to imply some background "phone deprivation anxiety" that you might expect of 90% of the population these days, yet I'm absolutely not like that at all.

I'm known for not replying to a text until the next day, or even sometimes TWO...

If you've spunked $3500 on something, you need to flaunt it...at least they think they do.

I just think that it top tier narcissistic behavior, half the time it'll be their buddy filming you know for those clicks. It at some point will get robbed off them and you will start seeing this behavior happen less and less. Avoid these people at all costs.

Mick.

Just saw this regarding Vision Pro vs Air 2 Ultra: Apple Vision Pro vs. XREAL Air 2 Ultra: What's the real price of augmented reality?

My thought when I first saw the news last week about it:

Someone will get robbed and maybe hurt or killed for it.

Someone will hurt themselves and others while wearing it and driving it;

or while wearing it and walking and not paying attention to the real surrounding and walk into moving traffic.

So I hVe thr Xreal 2 Pro ...not the ultra. I got it because I plug it into my DJI Drone RC2 controller and fly with it. It's really amazingly fun to fly with that thing. Make you feel like you are really in the air.

Good to hear! If you have DCS, do you think it would work well with that?

Do you also have/use the Xreal Beam module?

I have the beam because otherwise it drains the battery too fast. I also try watching Netflix etc., on it. The problem though is that Netflix still restricts resolution when you are projecting through hdmi so it's not as sharp. I have tried computing and web surfing from my laptop which is not bad. Haven't tried flight Sims with it because overall I like my monitor using tobii eye tracker for them

Do these have motion control/head tracking?

Xreal Air 2 Ultra which is launching now will have full head tracking. Xreal Air 2 Pro that launched last year does not.

How is the FoV?

I get the impression they look like watching a bigscreen TV rather than being immersed fully in a scene wrapped around you.

Per an article linked earlier, Apple Vision Pro FOV is 100 to 110 degrees, Xreal Air 2 Ultra FOV is 52 degrees.

They each can put multiple screens up, both in front of you and to the sides which can be viewed with a turn of your head as needed.

Yeah, that's a bummer. My Samsung G9 super ultrawide monitor has a much wider horizonal FOV than these headsets do. Looking straight ahead, the monitor completely immerses you in the sim or game, not to mention is quite useful for work.

Some are returning the vision. When we were kids Mom and Dad told us to not sit so close to the TV. I think the vision will cause eyesight trouble.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-vision-pro-biggest-complaints-190157071.html

https://www.zdnet.com/article/7-rea...ng-apple-vision-pro-according-to-reddit/

Not only that...

There is "crackgate!"

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4SS1ip1Zspc


Cracks are forming on the covering/lens/whatever you call that bulbous glassy thing.

https://gizmodo.com/cracked-apple-vision-pro-headset-repairs-1851289300


Please stand by for Tim Cook to walk out on stage and tell us, "You are wearing them wrong."

One day that lens gonna crack while it's being worn and microscopic pieces will get into the wearer's eyes.

Apple Drops Vision Pro Headset Production: End of an Era


"Recent reports from the industry suggest that Apple has stopped production of its Vision Pro mixed reality headset, launched in February 2024. This decision comes after lower-than-expected sales, despite the device receiving numerous accolades.

The Apple mixed reality headset failed to capture the mainstream market, with less than 500,000 units shipped since its launch. Its price of $3,499 for the base model, and a hefty 3999 euros in France, has been a major barrier to adoption. Limited use cases and a still restricted app ecosystem have also contributed to its lackluster performance."

Wow. It's rare for Apple hardware to flop commercially. I guess people weren't flocking to the Apple stores to try out the VR.

Not when a $500 Quest 3 is 90% as good as a $3500 Apple Vision.

I know Apple has a history of selling innovative, high end products at premium prices, but that was a bit too premium... especially during an economic period of high inflation.

I wouldn't count them out of the AR/XR/VR space just yet. They could conceivably come out with something that doesn't cost as much, perhaps even after the economy starts improving.

Here is what really gets me about Apple hardware. It's all made in China just like the hardware of their competitors so why so much over-pricing?

I don't really see the need for wearing a HUD for your eyeballs, tho there may be something truly legitimate that would work in certain jobs like as a Fiirefighter, LEO, Pilot etc.. but everyday people walking around no, but in the future like Star Trek inspired the flip phone it maybe possible to have some subcutaneous magnet and slap a monitor on your wrist putting a whole new spin on "Talk to the Hand" with a smart Contact on your eye. but the idea someone could hack you would be a big worry rather than robbing you because by that time no one will carry a wallet or cash and everyone will have one. Hmm sounds vaguely like a movie I watched.

I fully expect physical (minted & printed) currency to go away in my lifetime.

The Canadian truckers would like a word...

Reason #1 for printed/minted currency to continue to exist.

Apple decided to drop the entire augmented program. Poof. Gone.


Vision Pro is toast.

So much for that fad.

I don't think it will entirely disappear soon but the need for it is largely symbolic these days, you don't posses your full net worth on yourself you carry debit/credit cards and maybe an amount of cash for some lower level transactions. I think it will always be around in some form for a long time yet.

Why is cash more valuable than card?
Swiping a credit card (or even a debit card) is easy. But withdrawing and handling physical cash can make you more aware of your spending and how much is in your checking account or savings account. Some people feel counting and handling money makes them appreciate their savings more and be less likely to overspend.

6 Reasons Why Using Cash Is Better Than Credit

• Accrued interest adds up on credit cards
  If you don't pay your credit card balance in full each month, then the interest you accrue on your purchases will end up costing you more than the original purchase.
  With time, that $50 pair of shoes could end up costing you $100 or more, and the bigger the balance, the more interest you're charged and accrue over time. Interest compounds, so you're actually paying interest on the interest you accrue each month, as well.
• Paying with cash vs. credit helps you keep your debt in check
  It can be easy to get into debt, and not so easy to get out of it. In addition to paying more in total for purchases over time, you're also accumulating more debt if you don't pay your bills off from month to month.
  Wouldn't it be nice to think that once a purchase is made, you're done with it done and won't be paying on it for months – or even years – down the road?
  The next time you go for the credit card, consider the following benefits of using cash instead of your card.
• Cash makes it easier to budget and stick to it
  When you pay with the cash you've budgeted for purchases, it's easier to track exactly how you're spending your money. It's also an eye-opener and keeps you in reality as to how much cash is going out vs. coming in from week to week or month to month.
  These are just a few of the reasons why it's better to pay with cash vs. a credit card. That's not to say there's not a time or place to use a credit card, but you want to be responsible when you do and have a plan to pay it off within a specified period of time.
• You avoid additional fees, Using a credit card can result in additional expenses you did not anticipate. Some fees you will avoid by using cash instead of credit include:
  • Annual Fee: This fee can range from $95 - $500 a year to use some credit cards. This fee will be reoccurring in most cases, or it will occur one-time during the first year of the credit card’s use.
  • Late Payment Fee: When using credit, you can be penalized for not paying off your card on time. Each late payment can result in fees starting at $15, which can increase if the payments continue to be missed.
  • Balance Transfer Fee: This occurs when you move debt from one credit card onto another. This fee can range from 3-5% per transfer and will often have a minimum amount associated with it.
  • Foreign Transaction Fee: Many credit cards will trigger an additional fee of around 3% per transaction when purchases are made outside of the U.S.
• Not all vendors accept credit cards
  Although many spots do accept credit cards, not every business will. Farmer's markets and bazaars that cater to small businesses cannot always support credit transactions. In addition to this when you travel abroad you may have to default to using cash. As many countries like Japan still rely heavily on cash transactions, and not all credit types such as American Express are accepted.
• Your personal information is protected
  Everyone has found themselves in a situation where they have needed to swipe their credit card in a high-traffic area like a gas station only to discover a fraudulent charge on their account shortly thereafter. When you default to using cash, this is one less thing you need to consider as no one can steal your personal information through your purchase.
  Using debit cards vs. cash
  On a final note, if you use a debit card regularly, it's also good to keep track of what you're spending, as it's not uncommon for people to use their debit cards and overdraw their accounts. You might choose to use your debit card for certain monthly purchases or bills, but use cash for most day-to-day spending to help you keep that budget and balance in the green.

Do Not Use Debit Cards, Says Frank Abagnale
(This only works if you pay the Credit Card off monthly.)



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They apparently haven't bailed on AR entirely. Apple Vision Pro Discontinued: What’s Next for Apple’s AR Future?

Apple was not the only company with an AR offering. XReal and Viture to name two, have glasses based offerings that are not so wildly expensive.

Yeah, they left the door open.

Eventually we'll have brain implants instead of bulky head devices. Elon has a company doing some neat stuff with this.