homepage Forums Read Only Forums Read Only Forums IL-2: Cliffs Of Dover (Read Only) I'm quitting this pig sty too

After Fearless_Frog and Heinkill left this forum, I'm now following them. They were among those I found the most fun in this forum and with them and others gone, I don't see any point in staying here either.

For quite a while the trolling in here has become intolerable. It has become impossible to actually talk about the sim. I have talked to the mods, who also think it is a big problem, but they don't want to do anything about it. I can see that it can be difficult to do something effective about the issue, but why they have been happy to have trolls and haters constantly coming in here with totally off-topic spam is beyond me.

Anyway, SimHQ is no longer a place in which it is possible to come and talk about CoD. I'm heading off over to the 1C forums, where there is a lively and interesting scene around the sim. I'm learning something new every time I go over there and I really like it. Here at SimHQ, the forum is dominated by the trolls and haters, who even come to brag about how often they have been banned at the 1C forum, when they don't continuously insist on badmouthing the developers in the most disgusting personal attacks.

However, I don't really accuse the moderators of anything. They are unpaid fans just like everybody else. It is just that the ratio of useful exchanges to absolute spam has tilted very heavily to the negative side. It is just a waste of time to come here.

I'll keep making movies, but I will not post them here. This forum is not one I want to be connected to. I respectfully ask that members here do not re-post a link to my future movies in this forum. Those who want to see them can find them elsewhere or directly on my youtube page (see signature).

I'm a bit sad that it will be seen as a "win" by the haters that their constant spamming has managed to chase everybody else out of here. But, hey, that is the way it is: those few people definitely made this place insufferable for everyone. The site staff didn't want to do anything about it, because they wanted "balance". Well, the end result is anything but balance, because a lot of good people decided to leave. I'm not one of them, but I'm following them, because this place is no longer worth it and I value my time too much to waste it here.

Thanks to all who tried to make this a nice place to come and who posted interesting content,

Cheers,
Freycinet.

Freycinet said:



I also value your time too highly for you to waste it here

More seriously, it appears you are feeling sorry for yourself and hoping for some sort of fanfare.

As chief 'hater', both in terms of what it is you 'hate', and the use of the word, I wish you sucess over in the other forum. But I also happen to think if you adopt the same tone over there as here, you wont last long.

In reality, you are probably slightly embarrassed of your persona here, and this is a way of saving face possibly?

At the end of the day it's all just yacking about a (not very good yet) game, and you should have toned down the attacks a bit. That is what lies at the core of it.

Ben

Really? Just over the internet? I'm surprised at how grown men can take such things so seriously.

Anyway, take care...

You made movies?

Sorry a bit too much like melodrama to be taken seriously - especially in the context of RL.

Probably best to leave before the ignominy of a perma ban...

Oh and if you think the 1C forum is full of nothing but deranged fanbois, think again.

ok then! well i suppose that i will have to take up the mantle as No 1 FANBOIeeeeee.....
i had best get cracking then! ALL YOUSE HATERS ARE PANSIES!!! ther ya go, what do you all
have to say about that eh!
there ya go Frey, dont you worry about it, i will keep flying the flag

this is a bloody game people, just like pacman was, a mere amusement! how can people take
this stuff that seriously that they storm out!

Chill bud!

Craig

Storm out of where?

Ya when FearlessFrog left it was a real blow to this community. Heinkkill as well. We have only a handful of members who appear to be putting some effort into enjoying this game, but these are becoming fewer and fewer.

Oops, I was thinking of another member when I made the comment I just deleted. Apologies to FearlessFrog.

When the developers fix COD (see, im being positive ) and all is well, this place will be busy again, don't worry

Does ANYONE actually take this guy seriously whatsoever ? LOL !

Sounds like the classic Drama Queen Ploy

anyone want to start a informal betting pool how soon he will be back ?

He'll leave when the government abolishes taxes and the rich finally decide they have enough money now and to share some of their wealth with the rest of us.

No doubt many will blame the so called "haters" for this trend, rather than look at the actual state of the sim itself.

If the sim was great and what it was promised to be there wouldn't be a whole lot of people out there hating it I can tell you that.

Not like they're are now.

Frey is a drama queen yes, but the majority of poster above are hypocrites...

@Frey

I decided to take a break from the banana forums for a while, I grew tired of the same tools posting the same cry baby post again and again (so yes I am a drama queen as well)

Its a pitty though I enjoy your vids, hopefully we will see more when the games fixed and the haters have gone off to hate on something else...

P.S. The game is AMAZING loving it just wish they would hurry up with the sound patch, kills the immersion.

I think Bisher inadvertently hit the nail on the head when he said, "We have only a handful of members who appear to be putting some effort into enjoying this game".

When you have to make an effort to enjoy a PC game then something is fundamentally wrong.

This comment is a good example of what I outlined in the other thread....If in your mind it's a bygone conclusion, then why continually reiterate your views on this? I think we all understand which camp everyone is in.

On the other hand the OP should have known that these people would come to the wake.

As a moderator, it's frustrating. Unless someone violates the TOS, threads and posts stand.

I'm sick of this sim and I don't even have it yet.

Two-thousand-five, I agree this game does require some effort to get good results and I'm okay with this, many aren't and that's okay too.

'When you have to make an effort to enjoy something then something is fundamentally wrong.'

I think two-thousand-five has inadvertantly described what is fundamentally wrong with our society today.

Bisher at least have the decency to quote my actual quote rather than change the wording to suit your agenda.

Ya right I copied and pasted from your post.

And it is this disconnect from the truth and reality that blows me away.

Here I'll paste it again

When you have to make an effort to enjoy something then something is fundamentally wrong.


I've got the smoking paste right here 2005

That sums it up beautifully.

A very few of us actually do enjoy putting in an effort to make an ACKNOWLEDGED flawed, broken, imperfect simulation enjoyable. We also enjoy sharing the various tips, mods, fixes, screenshots, videos, etc. with others of like mind. This sim's detractors resent these efforts and repeatedly express themselves accordingly. It kills the enjoyment, be sure.

The detractors of Cliffs of Dover have won out on this forum. Free speech prevails. Yippee.

To me it's just a bit like buying a fancy new brand of beer because other people are buying it, drinking it and finding it's a bit flat and has a odd after taste. You complain on one of the beer tasters forums about these facts and the company and the some of the forum members say they're working on it but you just haven't tried hard enough to like it.

In other words it's your fault.

Snapper the same thing happens in reverse, this sims advocators resent anyone who dares post something remotely negative and will repeatedly attack them. Oh wait, it's happening again... see a trend starting. It is a forum, people of opposite opinions tend to hang out here.

<hums The Last Post>

Possibly. We shall see Bomber Harris.

Ming

What you fail to see, 2005, is that your negative comments are not bringing anything new to the forum - it's just a continual rehash of complaints that drags down any positive new information about Cliffs of Dover - the afore mentioned tips, screenshots, videos, mods, etc. This forum is being reduced to the lowest common denominator - the same stinking morass of repeated (I repeat: repeated) complaints. To what end? Will Luthier stumble in at some point and realize that a bunch of Simhq members are really unhappy about Cliffs of Dover? That Luthier will suddenly pull his thumb out and fix everything because of this? Really??

What IS happening is that the main CONTRIBUTORS to this sim have either left or are about to. Gone. Nothing new to see here folks, move along. All that's left are the complainers with nothing to contribute. And this is a good thing?

I am really sorry you are going to quit Freycinet. Your movies are perhaps the only reason I am visiting this forum. They sums up perfectly all the greatness of the game. Enjoy it every time I saw them and spent hours playing similar scenarios after watching them.

Many say it can't work.. well, my answer to them is that it hasn't been tried..

always look on the bright side off life!

I feel partly the same way. I joined this forum years ago to get away from the idiots on the ubi forum. This used to be a place where there was always a good debate going on. Now it has swung the other way. I spend more time reading the 1C forum because there and just loads more Sim related posts. Personally I think that people were put off posting here due to the massive amount of garbage filling this forum up on a daily basis and nothing got done about it.

Haters 1 Fanbois 0

Im pretty sure all of us(maybe not nuggs) would like to be talking about playing COD, but because of its flaws or bugs or something else, were not. i could write a list but im trying to be positive.
So when the sim is fixed(positive) and lots and lots of people are flying then we will have much more to talk about.

The new Il-2 series is a WIP and hopefully it will be for another 10 to 15 years. Many people haven't gotten over the fact that the sim was released before it was finished. This forum will stay in a very negative state until the sim dies, or has seen more than a few decent patches. Unfortunately its the nature of the beast, and it doesn't take more than a few who feel the need to constanly remind us of the state of the sim.

That truly was funny!

Without pointing fingers at anyone just in this post alone it illustrates what Frey is talking about, maybe he is being dramatic but WTF is anyone here actually a functional adult? Can people discuss a Game in these forums without acting like a bunch of spoiled entitled children? I mean I have gone to a lot of Forums and this one is really no different although it's better than the banana boards, I see people posting Demands and threaten Lawsuits over what the developer "owes" them, really? I just can't believe anyone truly is that ridiculous but, hey they are people and people are strange.
Frey, take a break dude. you are having a bad day it's just the internet you'll get over it. Everyone does eventually.

LoL, such melodrama, our sim is failing, it's the detractors fault.

Very true! I just visited their forum just to see if it was a fanboy haven as I thought it might be.

I was wrong. I read through just one thread on FM/DM and found there are posters that are very critical of

the game that can rival anyone here. Thats a good thing because the devs cant say they are not aware of the games

issues with aircraft pefrormance, which is the single biggest show stopper for me.

Of course you have to deny and ridicule this possibility, but it is so.
But as you are prone to "not putting a effort in" that goes well with the fact that creating is much harder then destroying.

So it is nothing to do with the fact the sim just plane sucks? Oh a little pun... plane sucks

With all the Pathos he could muster
Theres not a dry eye in the house.....



Does anyone remember the film Shane? The ending seems so much like Freys post... apart from noone is shouting come back.

Someone has watched Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan recently.

This sim has its problems, but you, and many others, are no help in solving them.

Well, actually not, but true is true, regardless where it comes from.

And many of those same folks complained inperpetuity about the release date being pushed back.

So you see it really is all a game of getting one's goat. The group has a gander at the forum every morning over tea.. like it was some sort of gossip column. - Frantically looking for any new figment to stoke a flame. Kind of like paparazzi following folks around on their mopeds.

and wonder why ?

lol, well i beg to differ, there have been many many posts at 1C in bug reports, but have we had any feedback at all? Not even a thank you.

Tree I have yet to see you post a bug etc that has not already being mentioned, so are you helping in anyway and if you think you are all that does is show how far you have your head up your ass... which is surprising given how over inflated it is.....

Oh dear. Soon the only people left will be those that criticize this unfinished game and want it completed.

Tell you what, I will be a lot nicer than you or some of your friends ever were with the name calling, subtle

inferences and character attacks on people that have critiqued this game. As I stated I continue to hope and think

the devs will finish this game and in time it will be the great Air combat Simulator we all hoped for. I wont quit

unless they do. I think thats fair enough. So when CoD is finished, come on back and you will find the one time

critics are fans of the game enjoying it with relish.

So what, you need a clap on the back for finding a wrong? And a thank you? The patches are the "thank you".
To find it and to report it is right and good, but to report the same error again and again isn't.
The devs might or might not take this wrong as serious as you do and act accordingly.
That you'll find out with the next patch, or the patch after, or the next, or never.
Fact is, that the devs are working to solve the problems and already have improved the sim a lot.

BURN ROBTEK HES POSTED A POSITIVE REPLY THEREFORE HE HAS AIDS...

^General view of a "hater" you should know the usual suspects by now.

Because nearly everyone one else buggered off ages ago.

Well, I thought the "stinking morass" bit was pretty good.......

The sim is failing is the developers' fault, not the detractors. If it's released in its current state to the US and the rest of the Americas on July 19th the howling will be heard up on the ISS. This FORUM is failing because of the detractors (a better term, IMHO, than haters). We're losing some excellent creative contributors who bring fresh material to this forum because of the detractors who are dragging everyone down into their......stinking morass of refried whining complaints.

+1

Ironic though, that Feycinets leaving present was to start another circular argument where everyone leaves with exactly the same opinion they started with...roll on tuesday...

Its a pity that Frey has decided to go but its reflects badly on this forum and its members that people can post like this.

Also you must have selective vision as I read a few posts that said they were sad to see him go... what it must be like to live life with so much negativity I feel sorry for you tree

Oh, now i understand, all the advertizing companies worldwide doing it wrong to promote something.
If you want something to have success you must critisize it remorseless and badmouthing it, thats the way to do it.
Only bad press promotes something.
And all people who already see something good must be ridiculed, because they are a hindrance on the way to a bestseller.
The devs already made enough money to finance another 10 years of further developement, so thats no problem.

I've stopped wondering...

I disagree with you on this. If the problem or bug is reported and the devs admit it and give feedback telling

us it will be fixed, fine we can stop repeating it. Right now many of the issues are not even being admitted let

alone promised to be fixed. If the devs dont take the bug or problem as serious as the users do, then they should.

We are the ones paying for their product. They work for us. Until we get feedback from them that a bug is being fixed,

we ought to continue complaining. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"

Dont feel sorry for me Krupi, im ok honestly, and no matter how hard you try im not going to start disliking you.

TBH i think that your whining reached such a crescendo in such a short space of time and in such an ugly way that only dogs can hear the squeaking now... But don't worry MG always grease the wheels eventually.

Please don't tell me that you actually think the devs aren't aware of all the shortcomings of their baby?
Do you really have to be told about every little deail that they intend to fix?
Do you really believe the devs intend to leave errors in their product?
If you do, i feel sorry for you.

Good, with friends like mine who would want enemies

I just don't understand why you feel the need to complain about the same problem 2,000,000 times a week...

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results..."

I agree that there lack of communication is annoying, but I can't help but get the feeling that someone is twisting luthiers arm.

It really isn't too hard to understand.

Even with all the great press in the world and all the fan boys of the world singing it's praise if it doesn't live up to it's grand expectation's that oleg himself engendered in people's minds regularly people will not like it and the word will get around it's isn't as was advertised and not all what it was cracked up to be.

That's just a fact.

It is what it is.

Hopefully it will be reincarnated into a better product

I wonder how may times frey's been back to read his head stone!!

Well apart from the lack of polish the game is exactly what I expected and wanted it be... Il2 1946 with great graphics and more complex engine management.

Probably about the same number of times hes wanted to jump up and down on yours

lol, I like it

Hey Robtek! The world is not a Dilbert cartoon buddy!! You cant advertise and promote the "mockup". You have to

have a finished product. You cannot sell the mockup. The people that see something good with an unfinished "mockup"

of a product do not have to be ridiculed, those are your words. You can take any product in the world; Fords, Boeing aircraft,

apple computers, whatever! The best most positive advertising and hype and marketing in the world is not going to do any good

if the product is half finished.

LOL

Actually Dilbert is like the world its true, that's what makes it so funny...

How many games have recently come out with "Dx11 support" only to find out it will only be added a few months later via a patch... (Total War, Crysis 2 to name a few...)

Anyone here remember the Strike Fighters forum circa late 2002 thru 2003? That became a cesspool of haters and backers that eventually drove away the community because of the constant bickering. Those that were playing and modding the game couldn't hear themselves think and left.



The Jedi Master

Krupi if you want to take over from Frey you will need to spam another 11800 posts.
I don't think it will take you long...

There is a quite big difference between a "mock-up", aka a model of the product, and a half-finished product, however, both descriptions are wrong!
This sim is atm like a car where the ignition timing and injection mapping is not perfect and the paintjob isn't finished.
It runs rough, stutters from time to time and it doesn't look perfect, but it takes you from a to b most of the time, sometimes even smooth and fast.
It's worked on and it's getting better, thats what counts. And it beats walking hands down.

Wow, this thread is funny.

The haters vs. fanbois.. ? Pft, do me a favour.

It's like being in a Bar, you've got people quite happily drinking thier beer whilst in the corner somebody is constantly telling them that the beer is #%&*$#, they've tasted it and it's #%&*$#, the people who brewed it are #%&*$#, the bar is #%&*$#, the barman is a #%&*$#, did I mention that the beer in here is #%&*$#!?

For the regulars, who don't mind the beer (it's ok, it could be better, but I've had worse) this gets irritaing in the extreme.
I already decided I don't mind the beer, that's why I'm here. Why are you here? Simply to tell me that the beer I'm drinking is #%&*$#?
Thanks..

In the UK there is a catch all for consumers rights 'Not fit for purpose'.

If you feel that the 'beer' is not fit for purpose then legally you are entitled to a refund.
Go to the Owner of the Bar, in this case steam, and demand a refund.
Once sucessful (this may take a few emails, but you have rights) divert your energies into telling people how to get thier refund.

Because, if you sit in the corner of the bar shouting at random people at some point you're gonna get your head kicked in.

Oh I forgot, we're not in a bar, we're all hiding behind monitors where there are no consequences for our actions. It's easy.

Anybody who behaves like the corner boys in RL is a twat, end of.

Tree once said (in defence of his negative postings) that he'd 'stand outside a bad restaraunt and tell people how bad the food is' (I'm paraphrasing but the same sentiment was expressed), that's all you need to know about the mind set.

Take what you can from the Bar, there are some good regulars in here who are just happy chatting about WWII, bugs, tracers, textures, stutters, stutters, disappointments, etc etc etc..

Calling this forum a pig sty is not nice.
Perhaps it is best that such an ungrateful member should leave.


















I'm jokin' by the way...

That's because after a while, there never was any debating...You are either "for" or "against". Anything critical and you are instantly a "hater". Anything singing the praises of what works, "fanboy". In spite of it all, I still haven't decided to get it or not. Frankly, I'm leaning toward not because of the fact that I do not own, nor will I any time soon, the 50 core, 475K Teraflop SSD, HAL 9000 with the NVIDEA factory integrated into the chassis, powered by GE. According to some of our more charming members, this means that I'm not "serious" about my gaming computer...I don't own a "midrange" I7.

I lean no, not because of the things that have been beaten to death a thousand times. What is more important to me is the fact that the campaign, isn't much and the AI is either rancid or amazing, not helping the campaign. As for the rest, I does look great, I'll give you that...

Well, some bars i've been in, quite happy with the beer btw, ......

I'd propose we Pig Roast Freycinet but the little drama queen will be back soon enough.

Yes when the game is in a state it should be but I won't hold my breath on the moaning going even then... we have the FM/DM and 190 bar to throw a paddy over next... (luftwhiners, cheating clans 12Lbs spit.... :D)

haven't seen anyone yet announce that they were going and stay gone for long.

I won't miss Freycinet.He was obscenely personal in his attacks on people making perfectly valid points concerning the game in it's presemt state.
He was the "hater".

I'm going ! This forum sucks and you all suck and suck and suck and the fanboys suck but I'll be back tomorrow or even sooner.

Now I love this stuff it motivates me to take a close look at this game, in fact I have spent many hours in the FMB looking at the AI and setting up different senerios to see how the AI act. I see a lot of potential in the AI, while at times having to scratch my head too. So that's the reality of it, there's good and bad I can accept that

Specific critisizm about the game does us a lot of good and I really appreciate hearing it, ah for the most, but when I grow weary it's really the game that is at fault.

after having frey on ignore for the last couple months, he finally posts something worthwhile.

Considering his history a "i'm taking my ball and going home" post doesn't surprise me one bit. Seriously, the drama queen stuff is over the top, if you don't like what's up, just leave, don't need to make an announcement as i doubt many would notice either way.

Pretty hard to be positive about this game with the shape it's in. I know some manage to find a way, but that means diddly as there are STILL people playing battlecruiser 3000ad and still thinking it's the greatest thing ever and that derek smart is a flippin genius. Just speaks to personal taste. CLOD is much the same as BC3000ad in my opinion. Very buggy half finished game devoid of anything to make it interesting. There's part of me that hopes it can be fixed. But the realist in me knows that what we got now is likely as good as it's going to get. There's no way this games selling well once it's released here in teh states with the buzz it allready has about it. Sad to see a flight sim tank, but a stinker is a stinker.

And i thought every stone had been turned, thats what you get when thinking positive.

I make an effort to enjoy my marriage, my school, and my job.

Making an effort to enjoy a computer game would be a proverbial "bridge too far." (Note, there is a big difference between making an effort to be good at something, and making an effort to enjoy it.)

And that's your opinion and I'm okay with it, I do not share it but do not feel threatened. Do you feel threatened that I might not share your opinion.

Society demands immediate gratification

Doesnt matter that CoD has multiple issues.

The problem is this forum.

Thats why i pretty much left to

I also know no one gives a sh*t.



Will come here for no other reason than to look at the screen shot thread, witch haven't been left alone by this forums "problem" either. Big surprise there.

"Mummy the peoples on the internets are being horrible to me and I can't get the game to work"

The new Il-2 series is a WIP and hopefully it will be for another 10 to 15 years. Many people haven't gotten over the fact that the sim was released before it was finished

True and true Chivas, it was a shock to begin with yes but it's gradually seeping in, it's started calling to me in quiet moments. It can be very wonderful in there and for once- no flight model arguments

We'll know we've got there when that finally kicks off. It's still on rails a bit and nowhere near as feather-floating as RoF. In my aggrandising opinion

Ming

Wiser words have not been spoken. Why is it so hard for everyone to understand this? One buys a movie ticket. It's entertainment. You shouldn't have to "make an effort" to enjoy the movie. It's either enjoyable (out of the box, so to speak) or it isn't. A concert either sucks or it doesn't. You shouldn't have to "make an effort." You paid for entertainment. The effort is on the side of the producer of the entertainment. No one purchases an automobile that is deeply flawed and "makes an effort" to enjoy it, unless one has no other choice. The car should do what you expect to do. If it doesn't, it's a lemon and should be returned (or sold to some other sucker).

If a piece of entertainment software is a lemon, it should become a coaster. No one should have to "make an effort" to enjoy crap.

The fanboys have lost their minds. Either that, or for some inexplicable reason feel they have no choice. How could they believe they have no choice? There are many other combat flight sims to enjoy. How is CLOD essential to their lives? It's not a crap automobile that you have to tolerate and constantly repair in order to get to work until you can replace it. It's a piece of entertainment software, for crying out loud.

Watch out, you are talking sense. That is not going to go down well with the torch and pitchfork brigade.

Plainsman, you make some good points that really shows how different individuals can be.

For starters, CoD has always run fine on my system. If it didn't then I'd agree with you that it was crap. There were some annoying stutter issues that were completely resolved with the Launcher.exe tweak. In fairness, I admit that fps would slow down over London and Le Havre to the point that this sim was unplayable. Most BoB pilots did not fly over those cities in their daily sorties, so I don't either. For some that would be completely unacceptable, for me not a major issue. Since the Hotfix patch I found, like many others, that I eventually would lose sound in MP. That IS a major issue for me that must be fixed. For many the MP sound glitch is a dealbreaker because MP is the feature that counts most for them. I can certainly agree with that. It would seem reasonable to expect that a fix will be forthcoming and unreasonable to believe otherwise.

"To make an effort enjoying this sim" means, for me, delving into the FMB plus learning the CEM to the point that I can engage in aerial combat and still effectively fly the aircraft to its maximum efficiency. Elsewhere in this forum I've commented/complained about the borked Campaign - hence the challenge or "effort" of figuring out the FMB to make my own missions.

So, maybe we're playing semantics here on what "making an effort" means. Thousands (perhaps millions) enjoy playing the cardgame "Bridge" which requires a huge effort to enjoy, not to mention the many variations of Poker. In terms of cardgames other prefer the simpler games of "Go Fish" or "Hearts" -- less rules to learn, faster gameplay, etc. Neither is "wrong" for chosing their preference - it's simply different strokes for different folks.

So it is for Cliffs of Dover. Lots broken, but lots run well. There are complexities to it that require "an effort" to master such as the Full Mission Builder and Complex Engine Management (CEM is fairly simple on its own, but can be a challenge to manage in a dogfight when trying to maintain situational awareness).

I can understand your point of view. You lay down your money and fully expect it to be 100% operational. Cliffs of Dover is NOT 100% operational - not even close. We've all seen the bug list to know that. For many: case closed. Is it the $45 you spent that keeps you returning here to ridicule those of us "fanboys" who do enjoy what Cliffs of Dover offers despite the broken bits? THAT'S what puzzles me about you and the other detractors.

Yes, yes, very well explained, either we have lost our minds or feel we are forced to enjoy this game. What looloo farm do you come from, Perhaps we should be reminding you it's just a game, your post sounds like you're sitting in an institution somewhere angrily bidding your time.

'biding'



Ben

Yes of course it just a piece of software, yep just 30 quids worth. We prob all have spent more on a few beers and a curry with the lads or a movie with the wife.

But i would guess the reason i get worked up about COD is that its my hobby...no wait...i wanted it to be my hobby but its not cos its not what we all want it to be yet.(positive)

Alot of us here have been flying IL2 for years now, we have spent thousands of pounds over the years on upgrades or HOTAS systems and many hundreds of hours with our hobby flying IL2. Then we hear about the NEW sim from Oleg that's coming! The Battle of Britain!! Wow we all wondered and talked about just how good its going to be with our sqd mates while still flying IL2.
Its by Oleg and its a new engine with all new stuff!! it must be fantastic, i mean look at IL2 and how good that is.

So we waited, and waited, and waited...all the time still flying IL2 ...lots of SP campaigns, or missions, but best of all for me, flying online with my mates...first for me was with 602sqd (puff, crater, loopy and the rest)...training nights with CO-OPs, then vs other sqds or public players. Best of all though was VEF online wars! that's where the blood got pumping, flying 16 vs 16 in a online war where stats and kills were recorded and you tried to complete your mission.

Then after with my own sqd "Blackhearts" = BKHZ

The best fun ive had online in my life! doing my fave hobby, flying WW2 fighter planes with my mates vs real people.

Ive got hundreds of books on WW2 mostly about the airwar, and again most of them are about the Battle of Britain,

So i would say "The Battle of Britain" by Oleg maddox was something i was REALLY looking forward too.

It has nothing to do with my REAL life, but as a hobby its important.

So when COD(what a crap name) finally was released in the total shambles it was, it was a huge let down, a massive disappointment for me, not just because its a 30 quid piece of sofware but because it SHOULD of been so much better, and because there is nothing out there to take its place.

Sure i can fly ROF and i do and i think its great, i can play any number of games or sims on my PC but none of them are "The Battle of Britain by Oleg maddox".