STICKY: Oleg needs some BoB objects info!

Posted by: SaQSoN

STICKY: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/22/07 11:47 AM

Hi,

1C:MG is searching for pictures, drawings, plans of port equipment and structures, particulary ship loading cranes, used in British and European docks at the Atlantic and Norht Sea ports.

Thanks in advance.

**edit to add "STICKY" header**
Posted by: Dart

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/22/07 12:26 PM

Stickied!

All y'all come out and help!
Posted by: DD_Delta7

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/22/07 12:32 PM

large tradition in glasgow clydeside of shipbuilding

some pictures from glasgow

http://www.theglasgowstory.com/searchq.p...h=cranes&iore=1

suggest someone contacts glasgow museum of transport as they will probably have detailed info

http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/venue/details.cfm?venueid=7

If you want help , let me know exactly what you want and in what form and Ill try to get in touch.

my grandfather served his apprenticeship in one of the yards, think it was John Browns - Ill see if there are any pictures or info.
Posted by: dunkelgrun

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/22/07 01:51 PM

Suggest contacting this: http://www.museumindocklands.org.uk/English/ Don't know what they have but the museum covers the history of the docks.



Just discovered that these ought be among their collection:


Port of London Authority records

Establishment Department files: air raid deaths and injuries 1940-1947 (Boxes ARC1-3).
Emergency services for docks and river 1939 (Box P22); Safety First,
drownings 1939-1941 (Box P30); First Aid certificates 1939-1944 (Box P45); river
emergency services 1939-1946 (Box P22).
Posted by: Asheshouse

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/22/07 02:36 PM

Which harbours specifically are required?

Presume the following main ports:

Harwich
Port of London - inc Tilbury, Sheerness Medway etc. -- but especially the large London Docks around Isle of Dogs.
Dover
Ramsgate
Folkestone
Newhaven
Portsmouth
Southampton
Weymouth
Anything outside of this is presumably not in the mapped area? It would be great if I'm wrong.
Posted by: dunkelgrun

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/22/07 03:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Asheshouse
Which harbours specifically are required?

Presume the following main ports:

Harwich
Port of London - inc Tilbury, Sheerness Medway etc. -- but especially the large London Docks around Isle of Dogs.
Dover
Ramsgate
Folkestone
Newhaven
Portsmouth
Southampton
Weymouth
Anything outside of this is presumably not in the mapped area? It would be great if I'm wrong.


As far as Ramsgate goes there were never any massive cranes, just a few 10-12 ft high types, with a wheel on the side, around the inner basin.

Posted by: SaQSoN

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/22/07 05:49 PM

Quote:
Which harbours specifically are required?

They don't need pictures of harbours, but a port equipment, which could be used as generic in all/most harbours on the map.
If there were some unique large cranes, specific to a certain place - they will model it as a unique objects. But mostly they need the generic ones, to fill all existing harbours and ports on the map. So, if you have any pictures - post links here, or contact me via PM to obtain access to our FTP.

PS Thanks for the links. Forwarded them to the 1C.
Posted by: major-setback

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/23/07 10:36 AM

I don't know if these will be of any use.

Cranes:

1947 crane:
http://www.plimsoll.org/images/4186_tcm4-48073.JPG

small crane usual on canals, but likely to be found in docks/harbours too:

http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...9-1728x2304.jpg

http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...8-1728x2304.jpg

http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...9-1728x2304.jpg

http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...0-1728x2304.jpg


(background) http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...2-2304x1728.jpg


equipment:
http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...607-375x500.jpg

large http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...7-1728x2304.jpg

http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...594-576x768.jpg

http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/pictures/20...593-375x500.jpg


Harbours etc: From here:
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover.html


http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Western_Docks-04_900.jpg

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Western_Docks-03_900.jpg

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/SouthernRailway/Dover_PS-04.jpg

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Admiralty_Pier-04_900.jpg

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Western_Docks-05_900.jpg



Wartime Pier/sea defences:


http://www.citylibraries.info/pictures/Photos/Pic01/00156.jpg

http://www.citylibraries.info/pictures/Photos/Pic01/00922.jpg

http://www.citylibraries.info/pictures/Photos/Pic02/01081.jpg

http://www.citylibraries.info/pictures/Photos/Pic02/01103.jpg

http://www.citylibraries.info/pictures/Photos/Pic02/01096.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Soldiers-english-coast.jpg




major-setback
Posted by: TROOPER117

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/23/07 11:52 AM

Some excellent pics there MS.. thanks for posting up.

Regards.. Dave S.
Posted by: dunkelgrun

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/23/07 08:18 PM

These aren't cranes but were obviously a major feature of Dover harbour during the war.

Positioned on the Eastern arm of the harbour, they are part of an aerial ropeway system that ran from Tilmanstone Colliery. Part-opened in 1929, this section on the harbour wall in 1930, it was in use until World War Two although it wasn't used much after 1935. Becoming redundant at the outbreak of the war, it was eventually dismantled in 1954.
Running from the hopper along the harbour wall it entered into the cliff in two parallel tunnels, seen as black dots on the first picture.

I imagine that the wires and buckets were taken off when the war started, although I don't know for sure. It would certainly add to the realism to have the pylons on the wall, and provide a few more obstructions for low-flying aircraft!

All pictures taken from 'South Coast Railways - Dover to Ramsgate' by Vic Mitchell and Keith Smith.

Looking back towards the cliffs.


The height of the pylons can be judged from this pic. I reckon that there must have been about 12 pylons on the wall.


The coal hopper at the end of the ropeway. Pics 2 and 3 are adjacent.


The book also has a picture of the 'Piecemaker' railway gun and the railway tracks for the guns above St Margarets Bay if anyone is interested.

Posted by: major-setback

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/24/07 11:47 AM

There is a stickied thread of this request at the (English) FB General Discussion forum.
There are photos and links there!

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4731096865?r=4731096865#4731096865
Posted by: major-setback

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/24/07 03:26 PM

Here are some more pictures.

London docks 1950’s:
http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dl12_albertquaysidelate1950s.jpg


London George V docks 1921:
http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dl17_craneskgvopening1921.jpg


London docks detail 1935:
http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dl02_kgvbananas1935.jpg

http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/lr03_dockershook.jpg

http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dl14_windiadockersloadingsugar1930.jpg

Warehouse Victoria Dock, London:
http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dld10_wwarehouse.jpg

http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/dld09_kwarehouse.jpg

1950’s cranes:
http://www.bardaglea.org.uk/bridges/docklands/images/nd06_forklifts1950s.jpg

Southampton docks crane 1920’s:
http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen/images/pontoon01.jpg

docks/crane Southampton:
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Southampton/Eastern-Docks-PC-03_700.jpg


Hartlepool 1920’s crane:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/crane1.jpg

1933 London crane:
http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/piclib/images//MID/0330000723_5mb.jpg

wartime unloading:
http://www.dwightdeisenhower.com/ddayphotos/657ea31.jpg


Posted by: Tbag

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/24/07 03:28 PM

Another floating 120t crane,french, caption says it's pre-war:

http://www.sous-mama.org/IMG/120tonnes.jpg

Some more pre-war cranes:

http://www.crefmpm.com/article.php3?id_article=34&id_rubrique=13

bulk loading facilitys in italy but probably they didn't look too different in other countrys:

http://uim.marine.free.fr/nav-comp/Armafran/bat-arm/zembra-livorno_jpg_view.htm
Posted by: SaQSoN

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/25/07 06:31 PM

On behalf of 1C:MG workers big thanks to everyone, who submitted the info. Now they have something to begin with.
Yet, if you happen to come across some more photos of 1930-40 port equipment - don't hasitate to post them here. \:\)

Meanwhile, there is another request for help from community from Oleg:

http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2244243&page=1#Post2244243

Big thanks again!
Posted by: Short-Fuse

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/26/07 01:18 AM

More useless stuff that will never be seen at 350 KPH. Concentrate more on the stuff in the air and use the items you already have in your inventory.. We have been waiting for this addition for some time now...
Posted by: LukeFF

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/26/07 05:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Short-Fuse
More useless stuff that will never be seen at 350 KPH. Concentrate more on the stuff in the air and use the items you already have in your inventory.. We have been waiting for this addition for some time now...


You forget that playable AA guns will be modeled in SoW, so it's not "useless stuff."
Posted by: dunkelgrun

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/26/07 07:18 AM

While we're talking objects and buildings I hope that Oleg / 1C have got info about gasworks. Every town had the distinctive gasholders somewhere, and they were a target for opportunistic 109s.

Example: http://www.sutton.gov.uk/leisure/heritage/gasworks.htm

Posted by: Uther

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/26/07 03:51 PM

Please folks stay on topic.

Let's keep this thread clear for the people actually contributing.
Posted by: major-setback

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/26/07 11:21 PM

Mostly Bristol cranes here:

Docks 4

Southampton docks from the air

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Southampton/Eastern-Docks-PC-01_air_900.jpg

Portsmouth crane, date unknown:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/51661907_18e313bd72_o.jpg


Bristol harbour old crane :
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/322614136_603c91c8fe_o.jpg

http://www.ourdaysout.pwp.blueyonder.co....0side%20(1).jpg

http://www.dshed.net/digitised/imagem/images/bb_em4_d.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/67/184236878_2a44595125_o.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Bristol_pw_from_ms.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/c/c9/Bristolcranes.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/5/5114075_fc2ca5cf7b_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/189/450577490_2c6cf24c44_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/401127029_7c4068cbae_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/421498055_467b1e0bff_o.jpg

re-enacted. cranes in use for museum on a historical day:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/114/283914259_49d7a544ab_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/193450234_038d87b940_o.png

Princes Wharf (still in Bristol, the museum):
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/25636947_82d0aa17b2_o.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/53/159436658_a9447e54a8_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/414735338_802af944ab_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/414735338_802af944ab_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/352785216_4d38e9c6d7_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/159440292_b35c6f7bf2_o.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/379884515_ca46b3b8f2_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/78/164876553_7ccc5eef59_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/414735334_47af852cd5_b.jpg

Bristol cranes, date unknown:
http://www.b-i-a-s.org.uk/bristol_60_cranes_moore.jpg

http://www.b-i-a-s.org.uk/bristol_60_docks2_moore.jpg





Posted by: major-setback

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 06/28/07 01:07 PM

Cardiff, in Wales:

Wartime. Train shipped from America (Cardiff docks):
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cranetrain.jpg

Cadiff docks, date unknown:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cranecardiff02.jpg


Cardiff, large cranes, date unknown:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cranecardiff03.jpg

Date unknown:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cranecardiff04.jpg

Coal hoists (cranes)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/cranecardiff05.jpg
Posted by: NSU

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 07/01/07 08:33 AM

Posted by: NSU

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 07/01/07 08:38 AM

the port Granville,
Frankreich, Normandie,
1940

http://www.der-foto-graf.com/LF0993.jpg

http://www.der-foto-graf.com/LF0993b.jpg
Posted by: Tbag

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 07/17/07 09:04 PM

I had three hours to change the bus in London Victoria and so I took a little walk. I was surprised to see in RL what I remember to have seen here somewhere on the forums. Well, I did some more pics, hoping to have a better resolution or a better angle. I reduced the images somewhat and I don't post all ten here, so if the pics are of interest please tell me.


By tbag_13, shot with PENTAX Optio S at 2007-07-17


By tbag_13, shot with PENTAX Optio S at 2007-07-17


By tbag_13, shot with PENTAX Optio S at 2007-07-17
Posted by: Dart

Re: Oleg needs some BoB objects info! - 08/19/07 11:53 PM

Bump to the top, but unstickied.