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#656323 - 09/20/04 06:30 PM Will this ever...
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#656324 - 09/20/04 07:12 PM Re: Will this ever...
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A drag chute? You could do an approximation now if you set it up as a huge speed brake.
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#656325 - 09/20/04 07:15 PM Re: Will this ever...
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Originally posted by Geo:
A drag chute? You could do an approximation now if you set it up as a huge speed brake.
But per NATOPS, the drag chute is used primarily for spin recovery. How in the world would a big speed brake assist in spin recovery?

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#656326 - 09/20/04 07:20 PM Re: Will this ever...
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Ask a Dive Bomber. Dive Flaps is the same as Speed Brake. It will stop a spin better than a Chute on a String...........


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#656327 - 09/20/04 08:09 PM Re: Will this ever...
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Originally posted by 331KillerBee:
Ask a Dive Bomber. Dive Flaps is the same as Speed Brake. It will stop a spin better than a Chute on a String...........


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Sorry KillerBee just trying to "keep it real". If the Phantom is found to be in an uncontrollable spin then the "chute on a string" like I stated is used primarily. That's why it's there. slowing the aircraft on landing was an after-thought to save on rubber and cases of beer ;\) . The speed brakes, flaps and landing gear are to be up and in the wells during spin recovery.

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#656328 - 09/20/04 08:37 PM Re: Will this ever...
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It's a game, it's not real - the game inputs a big drag on the aircraft, and processes it that way. The question is does it appoximate the performance of a chute well enough.
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#656329 - 09/20/04 08:45 PM Re: Will this ever...
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Originally posted by Geo:
It's a game, it's not real - the game inputs a big drag on the aircraft, and processes it that way. The question is does it appoximate the performance of a chute well enough.
Maybe I'm confused, I'm aware it's a game. So if it's not going to be implemented then why have the Drag_Chute command in the game taking up space? Personally I'd like to see it in the game and able to be used but if not no sleep will be lost.

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#656330 - 09/20/04 08:59 PM Re: Will this ever...
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Errr... Primary use is for spin recovery? That doesnt sound right. From what I've read using the chute for spin recovery was like grasping at straws.
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#656331 - 09/20/04 09:39 PM Re: Will this ever...
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Errr... Primary use is for spin recovery? That doesnt sound right. From what I've read using the chute for spin recovery was like grasping at straws.
Gimmie a few, I just e-mailed a few friends of mine ;\) Or perhaps Andy could chime in? Andy?
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#656332 - 09/21/04 12:14 AM Re: Will this ever...
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Drag chutes should be in it one day...I have a working chute on my M-50 "Bounder"..It uses the Airbrake as a base.Seems to pull it up on landing not too badly.
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#656333 - 09/21/04 12:25 AM Re: Will this ever...
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#656334 - 09/21/04 01:32 AM Re: Will this ever...
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nice work!!!
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#656335 - 09/21/04 05:14 AM Re: Will this ever...
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531, I'll ask my Dad next time I talk to him.
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#656336 - 09/21/04 05:54 AM Re: Will this ever...
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Bounder sighting! Call Mulder and Scully!

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#656337 - 09/21/04 12:16 PM Re: Will this ever...
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forgetting the MiG-23 which has working chute!!

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#656338 - 09/24/04 05:00 PM Re: Will this ever...
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I stand corrected, e-mail recieved from a friend of mine, now a BGen former F4N Aviator:

Ken, primary purpose of the drag chute on the F-4 was to reduce forward speed during landing roll out. However, use of the drage chute was an immediate action emergency step in the F-4 once the aircraft entered a spin.

Hope this helps.

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#656339 - 09/25/04 09:09 PM Re: Will this ever...
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The problem with a spin or departed flight is that the aircraft may have sufficient velocity to fly, but is uncontrollable because the airflow has separated from the wings and control surfaces. You are moving along, but the back of the plane is not behind the front. This situation is compounded by the horizon gyrating around the pilot and encouraging them to puke.

Deploying the chute would create a large drag on the plane, acting at the back end of the plane. This will tend to pull the rear of the plane back behind the front.

Once the back of the plane is behind the front, the plane should be controllable and the chute can be jettisoned followed by a gentle pullout.
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#656340 - 09/25/04 09:58 PM Re: Will this ever...
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Originally posted by moon161:
The problem with a spin or departed flight is that the aircraft may have sufficient velocity to fly, but is uncontrollable because the airflow has separated from the wings and control surfaces. You are moving along, but the back of the plane is not behind the front. This situation is compounded by the horizon gyrating around the pilot and encouraging them to puke.

Deploying the chute would create a large drag on the plane, acting at the back end of the plane. This will tend to pull the rear of the plane back behind the front.

Once the back of the plane is behind the front, the plane should be controllable and the chute can be jettisoned followed by a gentle pullout.
EXACTLY!
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