Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

To continue the metaphor, it's because the grenade isn't a dud. Someone had to pay for the things we broke. The crucifixion wasn't a symbolic gesture - it was a pragmatic act, it profoundly changed something in reality. I don't know exactly what or how though!

Science without religion is how it currently exists and works wonderfully. Religion is not objective.

According to my settings this thread is 9 pages of and with a little bit of . So where we at? Same place we started at.

Yeah, but we had fun, right?

Oh yeah i don't doubt that. If people are trying to persuade others it's obviously ineffective.

It all comes down to core values and the way you were raised.

I was raised catholic...I think education and mental disposition play an equal role to rearing.

I couldn't agree more. I was raised and pretty much indoctrinated as Southern Baptist, but I was encouraged by my teachers to investigate all sides of an issue and decide for myself.

I finally pretty much rejected organized religion, but being very fond of noodles, I am quite intrigued by your FSM.

Cheers

P.S. Terrible Two, you really should have referenced your last quote. It might have had more credence If you had included the fact that it was made by Albert Einstein

Yep, raised Catholic too, but always encouraged to question.

Interestingly, I know several people raised Catholic who no longer practice.

I was raised on a form of Christianity that I decided had little to do with the Bible it quoted. The biblical views I have settled on I find quite comfortable, though they are not popular.

I think there is significant role in mental disposition not only in choices of faith, but also how others beliefs are treated. I personally do not find any real value in mocking what others believe, though it often seems dime a dozen as an attitude front. Civil discourse is certainly possible, regardless of what the hostile or intolerant may claim. Whether that discourse is worth any more than the sharing of ideas, I am not sure.