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#2487672 - 04/04/08 08:34 PM B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar
Lex Offline
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Breaking news B1 Crash


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#2487676 - 04/04/08 08:35 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Lex]
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Hope the pilots are OK, though I doubt it from what I've read...

What now, ground the B-1s too ?

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#2487709 - 04/04/08 09:05 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: VonBarb.]
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I don't get it..the article said it caught fire while taxiing..then an official said it crashed?

My wild, speculative, totally off the wall guess...uh...brake fire from taxiing to long at a high gross weight and riding the brakes.. ;\)

Hope everyone is OK. Hope it only caught fire on the ground and they got out and not a "crash"..

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#2487714 - 04/04/08 09:06 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: BeachAV8R]
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cnn.com says crash while landing. Hope they are ok.
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#2487717 - 04/04/08 09:10 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: ForSquirrels]
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Yes. Apparently we don't have the true story. Hope the crew are OK.
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#2487718 - 04/04/08 09:11 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: ForSquirrels]
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It probably caught fire because "the Deid" is just so freaking hot! ;\)

Seriously though, hope the crew is okay.
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#2487787 - 04/04/08 10:48 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Weasel_Keeper]
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Reuters reports:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. B-1 bomber caught fire after landing at an air base in Qatar on Friday but the crew escaped without injury, the Air Force said.
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Fire erupted as the plane taxied after landing at al Udeid Air Base around 1:10 p.m. EDT after what the Air Force described as "a ground incident."

"The crew evacuated the aircraft and is safe. The fire was contained," the Air Force said in a statement.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080404/ts_nm/usa_qatar_crash_dc

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#2487788 - 04/04/08 10:49 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Goalie]
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Good news. Thanks Goalie.
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#2487805 - 04/04/08 11:02 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Lex]
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Hi,

So .. all seem's good ... only 200 Millions dollars going in smoke and flammes.

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#2487808 - 04/04/08 11:06 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Weird_Crapolla]
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"4/4/2008 - SOUTHWEST ASIA (AFPN) -- A B-1B Lancer, while taxiing after landing at an air base in Southwest Asia, was involved in a ground incident and caught fire at 9:10 p.m. local on April 4. The crew evacuated the aircraft and is safe. The fire was contained."


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B1 - 4/4/08 - 
B2 - 2/23/08 - 
F-16 (1 fatal) - 3/14/08 - 
T-34C (2 fatal) - 3/14/08 - 
T-38C - 3/13/08 - 
T-45C - 3/6/08 - 
F15C x 2 (1 fatal) - 2/20/08 - 
EA-6B - 2/12/08 - 
F15 - 2/1/08 - 
F16 - 1/15/08 - 
F18 x 2 - 1/7/08 - 
T-6A x 2 - 11/28/07 -
F15C - 11/2/07 -
	



Edited by Sim (04/04/08 11:09 PM)
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#2487845 - 04/05/08 12:03 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Sim]
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Glad everybody got out.
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#2487855 - 04/05/08 12:19 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Lex]
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Hi,

Apologises for publishing false figure ..(200 Millions dollars)
I must revaluate:
Read:
283 Millions dollars value 1977 .....
Some financial specialists have maybe a estimation value for today dollars ?

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#2487949 - 04/05/08 03:33 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Goalie]
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 Originally Posted By: Goalie
Reuters reports:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -"The crew evacuated the aircraft and is safe. The fire was contained," the Air Force said in a statement.


that's all that matters


Edited by Top Gun (04/05/08 03:33 AM)

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#2487964 - 04/05/08 03:52 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Top Gun]
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Lifer

Registered: 10/25/99

Glad the boys are ok.

Was it a minor fire, or is it a total hull loss? Anyone know?
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#2487969 - 04/05/08 04:03 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Top Gun]
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 Originally Posted By: Top Gun
 Originally Posted By: Goalie
Reuters reports:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -"The crew evacuated the aircraft and is safe. The fire was contained," the Air Force said in a statement.


that's all that matters


Heck yeah!!!

The aircrew were lucky then that they didn't burst into flames while running away from the BONE...because "the Deid" is just so freaking hot!!! ;\)

Probably got to have more than the three beer limit tonight.
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#2487981 - 04/05/08 04:25 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Weasel_Keeper]
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Wow what a week....I mean year for the Air Force. First an A-10 made a belly landing last Friday at Edwards after flying out of Nellis (LV NV), on Wednesday a F-16D from the 61st Luke AFB also made a gear up landing at the Gila Bend Aux Field and now the B-1 mishap.

Please will someone reconsider the cutback of military troops and the funds....
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#2488001 - 04/05/08 05:08 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: *Panther*]
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Apparently the B-1 may have stuck something while taxing causing an explosion.

"A US defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity earlier said the bomber hit something while taxiing, causing an explosion. Four crew members were aboard."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hhJ4XWgO81hlK8tO3WRGIS2fNZxA

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#2488006 - 04/05/08 05:11 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Goalie]
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Runway-side bomb?
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#2488034 - 04/05/08 06:15 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Rick.50cal]
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 Originally Posted By: Rick.50cal

Runway-side bomb?



No...lol...not there.
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#2488037 - 04/05/08 06:21 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: *Panther*]
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 Originally Posted By: *Panther*
Wow what a week....I mean year for the Air Force. First an A-10 made a belly landing last Friday at Edwards after flying out of Nellis (LV NV), on Wednesday a F-16D from the 61st Luke AFB also made a gear up landing at the Gila Bend Aux Field and now the B-1 mishap.

Please will someone reconsider the cutback of military troops and the funds....


We also almost had our first class A last week in over 20 years. One of our veteran F-16C pilots caught a surprise cross wind right before touch down and drug his left stab on the runway, almost caught his left wing which would have made it very nasty. Made a left wheel landing until he finally got the right side down and managed to save it. Much easier to replace a stab than a pilot. \:\)

I wonder if Weird Crapolla knows how much that cost since it seems to be a major interest to him...

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#2488056 - 04/05/08 07:11 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Weasel_Keeper]
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Registered: 10/25/99

Maybe a tire burst then? Those can be quite violent on large planes, but wouldn't that be at higher speed, rather than after it's slowed down already?
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#2488085 - 04/05/08 09:40 AM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Lex]
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Hi,

One of my other interest is what was loaded in this B1 (I mean the bombs load ).. I hope it was not with his normal war load.
Some witnesses report multiples explosions after the plane was in flammes.

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#2488395 - 04/05/08 06:39 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Weasel_Keeper]
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 Originally Posted By: Weasel_Keeper
 Originally Posted By: Rick.50cal

Runway-side bomb?



No...lol...not there.



And why not? The "roadside bomb" is neither exclusive to Iraq, nor even invented there. It seems to have started being used widely in the 1980's Afghanistan war between Afghan Muj's Vs the Russian Army. Since then it's become the primary way for Chechens to kill Russian Army troops. Speaking of Chechens, they don't restrict their attacks to just Chechnya, having seized hostages in a Moscow theater, placed nuclear material in a Moscow public park, and slaughtered hundreds of kids in school at Beslan.

So, I don't feel it's totally implausible for a handful of Oman locals to scrounge up for a small piece of ordnance, perhaps one that works at the airport/base, to place one by the runway. Indeed local employees have often found to be the security breach for highly secured areas: the Green Zone attacks (the one involving the cement truck), the mess hall attack (suicide bomber walks into the chow hall at lunchtime), and others.

Look, I'm actually thinking this is unlikely too, and FAR more likely something involving the plane itself, but it doesn't take that much imagination to conceive a plausible scenario, even if unlikely.
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#2488431 - 04/05/08 07:56 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Rick.50cal]
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Sure, it's not totally impossible, but highly unlikely. al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar has never had any kind of attack and I believe Qatar's emir actually lives in a palace either on or close to the base. I never felt unsafe anywhere on base, and never worried about anything...other than the crazy heat! ;\) This was the one place I'd take a shower only to make my sweat smell better...because you were sweating while toweling off and never stopped sweating.

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#2488433 - 04/05/08 08:05 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Weasel_Keeper]
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heh just as likely that a wild goat got sucked into an intake. that would make a mess, though with a few skewers you could have a kebab party at the back... \:D

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#2488446 - 04/05/08 08:31 PM Re: B-1 aircraft crashes in Qatar [Re: Lex]
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Hi,

If speculating ..and remind the Guam B-1 incident it will be likely the same .. as a problem with hydraulic brake fluid line (rupture ans spray of the fluid on the hot parts of the gear assembly)
The investigation find it was not a fluid from a goat .

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On September 15th 2005 B-1B 85-0066, which was deployed to Guam, was badly damaged by fire as it was landing at Andersen AFB. The fire apparently started in the aircraft's landing gear. Emergency crews quickly put out the flames and there were no injuries.....

The investigation into the incident concluded that leaking hydraulic fluid and sparks from a wheel being gouged caused a fire to start in the aircraft's right main landing gear as it touched down.

The incident was set in motion by the migration of the axle beam bushing and failure of the torque tube bushing, which over time allowed the brake to press into the wheel and gouge the rim. The movement of the brake also caused the pin connecting the brake to the brake swivel to break, resulting in a leak in the primary brake hydraulic system.

The resulting fire damaged the B-1's right wing, nacelle, structure and landing gear at an estimated repair cost of more than $32 million.


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