Fran,

Is this about right on the wing profile for the 210?




I also shortened the fuselage. The original model had the same length as the 410 model.

Hey Ray, look at this.



Does this help?

Nice, Mike.

Now, how is that profile different from the 410?

Uh, like this? Longer nacelles, wing width, fuselage length too.



Looks like radials on the 410D, Jumos?, eh?

Ok, how's this:

Very nice Ray. Do you want the specs for the radial engine version for your rare birds cue?

Yeah, if you have specs, that would be great.

BTW, I got your e-mails. I'll work on them tomorrow.

Gotta paint one of the guest bedrooms today. OH JOY!

WPotTR usually has the specs if it has the line drawing. I'll pull down the book after work tonite.

Did you get thet check I sent the other night? Kinda outs a whole new twist to "the checks in the mail" don't it? Hee Hee.

Yeah, I got it, is it any good?

It's just as good as the campaign promisses the candidates are making. Just as good as 'the Orioles' chances to sweep the division, playoffs and the series. And besides, there is still more. You get the collectors value from the "artistic vision" of the maker. BTW.Don't make any expensive plans yet, the ink is still drying, and, funds are awaiting clearence.


In a word , nah.

Hi Ray -

Iīm joining the thread rather late - family sunday, you know

...but Mike provided you with excellent reference

You did not change the leading edge of the 210-3dz - thatīs good that way. The angle in the 210īs wing leading edge is much more pronounced than shown in Greenīs drawing. The 210īs engine nacelles were much shorter than those of the 410 due to the Daimler Benz DB 601 F for the 210A-1 and the DB 603 A for the 410 A-1. The fuselage of the 210 early variants received a lengthening of 954 mm and the engine nacelles of the 410 were about 50 mm longer. From tail to spinners the 410 was about 1000 mm longer than the early 210s.

The 210 turned out to be a major desaster for the Messerschmitt company. The 210 was pressed into service too fast and the flight characteristics turned out to be malicious and too dangerous for young pilots. The problems were overcome during the production of the A-1 series by the above-mentioned lengthening of the fuselage and other minor improvements. But this was only achieved by leaving a huge scrap heap of already-built 210 fuselages and the demise of Willy Messerschmitt from top of the company.

Many improved 210 variants flew in Africa with longer fuselages and did a rather good job - but reputation was destroyed. ("One hand on the stick - the other on the ripcord") More than willingly Messerschmitt changed the ill-fated designation from "210" to "410"

Btw, concerning the "D" variant with the so-called radial - in fact itīs a DB 603 G liquid-cooled inline engine with annular radiators - similar to the Ta 152 C. Only one example ("BN+CY") was equipped with the 603 G in the normal 410 canopy figuration. The progressive designs were to receive a completely redesigned crew compartment ( is slightly to be recognized on the 410 D drawing)

The 210 wasnīt that bad plane as it was looked upon - in fact the problems had been solved when delivery and production was stopped. An interesting story - but maybe too much for one post

If you need drawings ore something else - tomorrow Iīm in reach of my scanner in my office...

Hi Ray,

Colonel Gibbon once made an unmirrored version of the Me 210 (2N+FR) for me but I could not get rid of the blocky props I got - so I left it posted as it was.

I hope the good Colonel wonīt mind if I send his files over to you

Fran,

Good info and much appreciated.

So the "D" was an inline? Good to know when I get around to it.

The skin is now non-mirrored and does not have blocky props.

Should I send you a copy before posting?

After thinking about the 410D "radial" engine" I got to thinking and said v-12 inline? or something like the motor in 109D-9. But have only just now been able to get back online to comment.
My bad at first look, typing with out thinking.

No problem, Mike -

a rather unusual concept for an engine IMO. All radiator intakes had been moved forward to the front of the nacelle ( not unlike the 190D-9 as you say) incorporating the intakes for the supercharger with a seperate exit for the shrouded exhaust gases on both sides of the engine for high-altitude performance.
Additional feature was a wider wingspan of 20500 mm.

Nevertheless, the use of the BMW 801 E radial was envisaged for some projected assault variants...

Fran et al,
I've found 3 different motors listed for the C and later the D series. DB 603JZ "with annular radiators" and TKL 24/26 turbo-superchargers, BMW 801TJ and the Jumo 213E/JZ. It also should be noted that the appearance of the "radial" nacelles was to fool English speaking intel guys like me. And, it worked, again.

Hi Ray.

I've been here before, different tails, engines, intake filters, aerials, canopies, guns, and pitot probes.!

Don't you ever learn?

I suppose the seats were changed from red leather to black on the night fighter versions, too.